[MR] Thanks for the responses, banned people--RE: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 95

[Rick Allison]

good gentles,
Thanks for the many responses.
Apparently there were some extenuating circumstances that made it appear that this individual was a "safety" issue to himself and others.
No actual laws or rules were broken.  People at the event and other events were concerned for him and 
so after discussing among themselves and with Kingdom level officers, they decided to ban him from events for his own safety.
 
I understand the "concern" issue, and do not in any way suggest any wrong-doing or intolerance.
 
As an experienced scoutmaster (with some special needs training) and long time SCA participant, I have encountered these types of special people as adults and as children.
In fact currently in our Kingdom their are many such special folks and children with the same or very simular symptoms as the individual who is being "Banned".  
 
Yes, these types of gentles can be very un-schooled and distracting, time intensive and perhaps boorish or even scary.
But who has not met "normal" SCA folks who are the same and have just as much disregard for customs, courtesies, and SCA mores.
I have seen many extremely bad examples in the SCA from food scavengers at feasts and events, to fast motorcycle drivers and dangerous car use, to outright physical issues.
Yet unless these actions or activities break a mundane law or seriously and actively endanger the safety of others they are not banned.
 
Special folks are the same, the main difference is the time and energy needed to teach them, wih many repititions and constant reminders.
Physical activities within their focus works, as do single or small teams that are familiar to teach and train them.
 
As given in an example of a case on this list, profound advancements can be made due to our stylized mores and customs.
We offer a true safe environment for the different, the disenfranchised, the over-acheivers, those who don't fit quite comfortably in mundane society.
We have customs of high courtesy, ritualized activities for chivalric prowess and honors for study, arts, sciences, and service.
We reward the adherance to our rules and customs with awards and recognition.
This is something those who have special needs desire and seek.  
 
As a believer in the dream and chivalric duty I stand as the first to offer myself as a named mentor for these special folks.
This is not a purely single group activity as can be seen by the case which opened this discussion, many good gentles outside the barony he resided in had concerns.
Thus I propose a standing group of mentors and guides not just for special members but for anyone who needs extra attention and assistance to play the dream and enhance our own play.  A contact list to be provided with members in every group of the Kingdom these gentles can contact when they travel to any event or group.
This is ours and theirs safety net.  Perhaps this list and the named mentors could be managed under the Chirugeon or the A&S or even the Seneschals.
 
Please dear Peers, Royalty, Lords and ladies, and populace, consider my plea and consider being part of the solution.
 
In service to the dream and the Ideals;
 
Laird Seanne Alansyn, squire to Viscount Raym Y Hyndyll, 
Member of the Silver Guard of Drachenwald, Holder of the Queens sigil for chilvalry,
Holder of the Princes gauntlet, incipiant marshal Free shire of Roxburymill






> From: atlantia-request at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 95
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:34:08 -0700
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> 1. Re: herald question (Alexandria Stratton)
> 2. "Ask Auntie Rhiannon" (Stefan li Rous)
> 3. Re: Enameling Workshop 30-July (Stefan li Rous)
> 4. Re: "Ask Auntie Rhiannon" (JR)
> 5. Re: People banned from SCA events (David Ritterskamp)
> 6. Re: People banned from SCA events (JR)
> 7. Re: banned people.....RE: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 92
> (David Chessler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:13:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alexandria Stratton <kyrilex at yahoo.com>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] herald question
> Message-ID: <1309403580.79447.YahooMailRC at web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Thank you for all the responses. 
> I like to think I'm pretty good with a search engine but could not find the info 
> to save my life. Now my friend can be better prepared when he delivers his 
> submission to a local herald (he just moved to Trimaris & doesn't know who's who 
> yet). Knowing ahead of time how much things will cost really helps those who 
> have to pinch pennies and plan ahead for every luxury. 
> -- Isabelle LaFar
> http://www.HouseBarra.com
> Experience is what you get, when things go awry.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:15:44 -0500
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: [MR] "Ask Auntie Rhiannon"
> Message-ID: <D0F7B6D8-F126-40DA-9895-A75111B0F7A5 at austin.rr.com>
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> Jarvis Riley, Salisburie Glen herald, said:
> <<<Don't forget that your canton heralds are a good place to start 
> since we
> study Protocol and Precedence; I sense a "Ask Auntie Rhiannon" in the
> making. >>>
> 
> For those of from out-of-kingdom, what is this? Is this a series of 
> articles/columns on heraldry/SCA procedure, something else?
> 
> I'm wondering if this series of columns/articles might be a good 
> addition to the Florilegium. Or does this mostly cover local issues? 
> Who is the author?
> 
> Thanks,
> Stefan
> Always interested in information that will be of interest across the 
> Known World.
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:21:14 -0500
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Enameling Workshop 30-July
> Message-ID: <AC360F94-43ED-4B86-9AA0-2123B283206A at austin.rr.com>
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> Andras said:
> <<< I'll be teaching a beginner's enameling workshop at my home on 
> Saturday,
> 30-July, from 10am (prompt) until 5pm. >>>
> 
> Will you be doing faux enameling or the real thing?, which I think is 
> baking real minerals onto metal?
> 
> If you will have a handout for this event, or be willing to write a 
> how-to article, I'd love to have either one for the CRAFTS section in 
> the Florilegium, for those of us who would find this workshop a long 
> walk. :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Stefan
> 
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:28:33 -0400
> From: JR <novothule at gmail.com>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] "Ask Auntie Rhiannon"
> Message-ID: <4E0BED61.4060502 at gmail.com>
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> 
> It is like Dear Annie, but it covers SCA Point Of Protocol. It appears 
> in the Acorn newsletter in Atlantia along with other advice from our 
> Triton Principal Herald, and other officers as they see fit. I think it 
> would make a wonderful addition to the Florilegium. I would suggest, 
> since they are brief, make a code to randomly display one on the main 
> page of the Florilegium. That way every time some one visits or 
> refreshes the page, they get a random one. It would look like the news 
> boxes you see on websites. Plus I think it would look cool.
> BTW, did you get those files from my University class on the Culinary 
> Arts in the Nautical Sciences?
> 
> YIS,
> Jarvis Riley
> JR's 3 C's: Courtesy, Chivalry, and Cheesecake
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/29/2011 11:15 PM, Stefan it Rous wrote:
> > Jarvis Riley, Salisburie Glen herald, said:
> > <<<Don't forget that your canton heralds are a good place to start 
> > since we
> > study Protocol and Precedence; I sense a "Ask Auntie Rhiannon" in the
> > making. >>>
> >
> > For those of from out-of-kingdom, what is this? Is this a series of 
> > articles/columns on heraldry/SCA procedure, something else?
> >
> > I'm wondering if this series of columns/articles might be a good 
> > addition to the Florilegium. Or does this mostly cover local issues? 
> > Who is the author?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Stefan
> > Always interested in information that will be of interest across the 
> > Known World.
> > --------
> > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas 
> > StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:41:50 -0400
> From: David Ritterskamp <jonnyb70 at hotmail.com>
> To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
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> 
> I was diagnosed with it back in 20whatever. By all means, become familiar with it. You almost certainly know someone that's on the spectrum.
> 
> regards
> 
> Jonathan Blackbow
> 
> Asperger's Syndrome
> 
> http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/mental-health-aspergers-syndrome
> 
> There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. -Niccolo M.
> 
> 
> > From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:00:52 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
> > 
> > JR commented:
> > <<< So this canton member I was referring to was rediagnosed as not
> > having the 3 problems he was receiving medicine for. It turns out he has
> > Asperger syndrome instead, and the other medicines he was receiving were
> > only making things worst. Now that he is no longer over medicated, and
> > we know what he is dealing with, this canton member is on his way to
> > becoming an archer. >>>
> > 
> > I'm not sure what Asperger syndrome is, but here is a message posted 
> > on another list, but not yet in the Florilegium disabilities-msg file, 
> > that seems to support what JR is saying.
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:37 -0400
> From: JR <novothule at gmail.com>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events
> Message-ID: <4E0BF215.3010407 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Jonathan Blackbow is right. It is very common, as besides the guy I 
> already mentioned, I know at least 3 other people in my area that has it.
> 
> YIS,
> Jarvis Riley
> JR's 3 C's: Courtesy, Chivalry, and Cheesecake
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/29/2011 11:41 PM, David Ritterskamp wrote:
> > Jonathan Blackbow
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 02:46:20 -0400
> From: "David Chessler" <chessler at usa.net>
> To: Rick Allison <threeallisons at hotmail.com>, Merry Rose
> <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] banned people.....RE: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101,
> Issue 92
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> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:10 PM EDT
> From: Rick Allison <threeallisons at hotmail.com>
> To: Merry Rose <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: [MR] banned people.....RE: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 92
> 
> > 
> > Thank-you all.
> > I have been assisted off-list.
> > 
> > by the way I hope vehicle standard are not in force, I used to ride in armor
> between events in Ansteorra and between events in Drachenwald...
> 
> Well, yes, but when you're flying on government orders they let you do that,
> unless you're flying Delta.
> 
> > 
> > Rich Allison
> > threeallisons at hotmail.com 
> > Cell 240/463-3956
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email
> > Per bend argent and azure, a sinister hand and a Maltese cross
> counterchanged.
> > 
> > 
> > > From: atlantia-request at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subject: Atlantia Digest, Vol 101, Issue 92
> > > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:00:25 -0700
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> > > Today's Topics:
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> > > 1. People banned from SCA events clarification (Greg Fabic)
> > > 2. Event Flyers Online! (Elisabeth Borden)
> > > 3. Re: People banned from SCA events clarification
> > > (ldmolly at md.metrocast.net)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:08:55 -0400
> > > From: Greg Fabic <gfabic at gmail.com>
> > > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subject: [MR] People banned from SCA events clarification
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=jgjNicpCgOA4uNh9es4Kkhfgx6w at mail.gmail.com>
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> > > 
> > > I don't believe this individual was banned from events, rather he was
> > > advised not to become a fighter without first consulting his therapist.
> > > There was also some concern that he came down from the DC area to a
> camping
> > > event (Sapphire Joust) with nothing but a scooter and the cloths on his
> > > back. Of the basic needs (food, shelter, clothing) he had one- barely.
> > > Mind you, this is second hand. He was pointed out to me, I advised that
> his
> > > therapist needed to be involved before he attempted fighting. (He has a
> > > therapists note that allows him to attend SCA activities/events.)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:46:00 -0400
> > > From: Elisabeth Borden <disneybaroness at gmail.com>
> > > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subject: [MR] Event Flyers Online!
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTimTX-PzrW0mzK2NQcUVhDrDo_8oXw at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > 
> > > Greetings,
> > > 
> > > Good news! The portion of Kingdom Law preventing the publication of
> > > event flyers online prior to them being printed in the Acorn has
> > > been removed. While the deadline you received via email originally is
> > > still valid for updates in the printed version, this means you can now
> > > submit your event flyers immediately, and they will appear in the
> > > online version within 24-48 hours!
> > > 
> > > How does this benefit your event? You'll now be able to have all of
> > > your flyer information right on the Kingdom Calendar to point people
> > > to. It's free advertising!
> > > 
> > > To submit your flyer, go to:
> http://spike.atlantia.sca.org/flyer/eflyer.php
> > > 
> > > Don't forget that the deadline originally emailed to you is still
> > > required for the printed version of the Acorn.
> > > 
> > > If you have sent me your flyer previously, they will be appearing
> > > online within the next day.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Elisabeth
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Baroness Elisabeth Borden
> > > Calendar Deputy,?Kingdom of Atlantia
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:54:47 -0400
> > > From: ldmolly at md.metrocast.net
> > > To: "Merry Rose" <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] People banned from SCA events clarification
> > > Message-ID: <3050.1309373687 at md.metrocast.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > 
> > > Good Afternoon to Laird Seannne & the Tavern,
> > > 
> > > Wouldn't this question be best addressed to the local (or Regional)
> Seneschal, rather than this list? The best we could hope for in response to
> such a question would be gossip. 
> > > 
> > > Laird Seanne, your concern is valid, and I am sure there is more to the
> story than just someone riding a scooter to an event, grin. Last I checked,
> there is no minimum requirement for motor vechicles for SCA participation. ;)
> 
> > > 
> > > Molly
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed 06/29/11 11:29 AM , Rick Allison threeallisons at hotmail.com sent:
> > > 
> > > hello everyone,
> > > I have been contacted by an individual who attended the Storvik Novice
> tourney.
> > > This gentle was told that he had been banned from attending SCA events
> including the Storvik Moinday night practices,
> > > due to his conversations, and issues with his motor-scooter.
> > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this and if so could they contact me off
> list?
> > > 
> > > I am not refuting the decision, if valid, just wanting to be able to
> explain to the individual, 
> > > as they are a "special needs" person with communicative, cognitive and
> relational disabilities.
> > > 
> > > Secondly, is there a process/law or procedure to be followed for this type
> of decission?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Laird Seanne Alansyn,
> > > aka Rich Allison
> > > threeallisons at hotmail.com 
> > > Cell 240/463-3956
> > > Please consider the environment before printing this email
> > > Per bend argent and azure, a sinister hand and a Maltese cross
> counterchanged.
> > > 
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