[MR] Egyptian Personas in the SCA

Fri Jun 3 18:54:36 PDT 2011

Hi there,

There is this SCA Group for some type of Egyptians I don't understand: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gahawazee/

There are also these Google Books
http://books.google.com/books?id=DH5MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA284&dq=egypt+in+the+roman+era&hl=en&ei=AI_pTem2LMb00gGrk9WcAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=egypt%20in%20the%20roman%20era&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oFy7yNbLpGEC&pg=PA1018&dq=egypt+in+the+roman+era&hl=en&ei=AI_pTem2LMb00gGrk9WcAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=egypt%20in%20the%20roman%20era&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JpBJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA207&dq=egypt+in+the+byzantine+era&hl=en&ei=Xo_pTY7lMMft0gHCmfmxAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

For information on Egypt during the Byzantine era specifically, try 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ByzantiumNovumCulture/

When I was chatelain of Drachenwald we tried to form a shire in Egypt, now 
there's one more reason it's failure in regrettable.

Barcsi Janos

JEFFREY C. SMITH 

"The only way Congress can give one American a dollar is to first take it from 
another American. Therefore, an entitlement is a congressionally given right for 
one American to live at the expense of another." -- Economist Walter E. Williams

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From: Sandra Rangel <arwynn16 at gmail.com>
To: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>; Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 7:01:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] Egyptian Personas in the SCA

Lord Mungo,

Yeah the mummy masks were an interesting thing to stumble upon at the
Chicago Museum of art... the mask itself was in the Egyptian section
and not Roman so it had me curious from the start. They are also
called Fayum mummy portraits and the techniques to paint them are
either encaustic or acrylic. It is too bad that most of the ones that
have survived to date were detached from the mummy themselves and any
data that could have been derived (other than the details of the
portrait itself) were/are lost. It seems that is the case also for
Coptic textiles and various other Egyptian artifacts acquired at the
turn of the century.... amazing details but because they were not
acquired in a scholarly manner there is not much else,
archaeologically, about the pieces. It is speculated that the
portraits could have been painted while the person was still alive,
hanging up in their house, and attached after the mummification.

Thanks to others who have offered some leads, but I am definitely
looking for stuff that is pre-6th century Egypt. And even more so
pre-4th century. :)

I was able to find the first book in my local library's catalog, there
are several other titles by the same author I will check out as well.
I could not find the Coptic one however I am looking for other titles
and reserving them. Here are some other titles that may be available
in other libraries in case anyone is following this thread:

*Searching for ancient Egypt : art, architecture, and artifacts from
the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology
ISBN: 0801434823
*Ancient Egypt : the land and its legacy ISBN: 0292720629
*The treasures of Coptic art in the Coptic Museum and churches of Old
Cairo ISBN: 977424933X or 9789774249334
*Lady of the two lands: five queens of ancient Egypt ISBN: 0672507293
*Egypt, Greece, and Rome : civilizations of the ancient Mediterranean
ISBN: 0198150032
*Egypt after the pharaohs 332 B.C.-A.D. 642 : from Alexander to the
Arab conquest ISBN: 0520059301
*The royal women of Amarna : images of beauty from ancient Egypt ISBN:
0870998161
*The mysterious Fayum portraits : faces from ancient Egypt ISBN: 0810933314
*The rape of Egypt : how the Europeans stripped Egypt of its heritage
ISBN: 0712621024
*The Encyclopedia of ancient civilizations of the Near East and
Mediterranean ISBN: 1563247992

~Rohesia

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu> wrote:
> M'Lady Rhoesia, Greetings.
>
> Such a task you have set. I am no expert on Egyptian culture, but do take an
> interest in it. Like most folks, my interest is in the high pharonic culture
> like King Tut. The Roman period and later gets sadly overlooked in favor of
> the more spectacular earlier times, Cleopatra excepted.
>
> My best guess is that middle and upper class Egyptians would still have
> dressed and followed the lifestyle of Rome/Byzantium up until the conquest
> by the Muslims in 642. How soon after that Muslim orthodoxy would have been
> imposed on what was left of Egyptian secular society is unknown to me.
>
> So I recall cataloging a book of Roman-period mummies a few years back. It
> may have been EGYPTIAN MUMMIES: PEOPLE FROM THE PAST by Delia Pemberton (San
> Diego: Harcourt, 2001; ISBN 0152026002). I'm sure this is out of print, but
> you can no doubt have your library get it for you. The book of which I'm
> thinking had lovely Roman-period mummy masks. The people in those images
> looked pretty much like Romans seen on murals from Pompeii and other places
> in the northern part of the empire. I'm sure you are interested in clothing,
> hair styles, jewelry, etc. These mummy masks are one of your best sources.
>
> I also found an interesting little illustrated book on Coptic Egypt: COPTIC
> EGYPT, THE CHRISTIANS OF THE NILE by Christian Cannuyer (London: Thames &
> Hudson, 2001; ISBN 0500301042). It has lots of pictures from the late
> Roman/Early Islamic period, many from textiles, murals or illuminations.
> Anything about the early Coptic Christians would probably be a good source.
>
> Good luck with your interesting quest.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier (Shire of Isenfir's unofficial librarian)
> (aka Garth Groff, Cataloger, UVA Libraries)
>
> On 6/3/2011 1:24 PM, Sandra Rangel wrote:
>>
>> Greetings to the Tavern,
>>
>> I have recently been curious about Egyptian culture (mostly as it
>> would've related to the time of the Romans and earlier) but really in
>> any way it could relate to SCA timeline. I am having trouble finding
>> any resources for people who would like to create a persona or finding
>> someone who has an Egyptian persona. Ive tried some online searching
>> but to no avail. Anyone know of someone I can chat with about the
>> subject?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rohesia Anven of Thessalonica
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