[MR] Question about fighters & unpassed heraldry

[J. C. Smith ispán]

Hi there,

Good thought -- there are also a lot of badges, at least one of which (Atlantian 
populace) will apply and can be used.  There are also baronial badges and 
perhaps others that can be displayed.  In my household, many fighters have 
tabards made of our household badge, for example.

Barcsi Janos
 
JEFFREY C. SMITH 
 
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be 
brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war."  -- Thucydides





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From: Guenievre de Monmarche <guenievre at erminespot.com>
To: J. C. Smith ispán <jsmithcsa at yahoo.com>
Cc: Atlantia Mailing List <Atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 9:15:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] Question about fighters & unpassed heraldry

One idea for you - if you look through period art, there are a LOT of
images out there of combattants wearing surcotes, esp., but also
occasionally using shields that do not have full heraldry, but merely
the colors of the heraldry, or perhaps a single charge from said
heraldry as an allusion to the full device.

This might be an approach your heraldry-less fighters could take - the
*colors* used in your heraldry probably will not change, even if the
details of the heraldry do, and you can always add a rendition of the
full arms later, if desired. Thus you wouldn't be *redoing* all your
work, but at least you would be "heading in that direction."

Alternatively, of course, there's no reason a fighter can't wear their
Baronial/Shire populace badge until they have heraldry of their own
(or after! I'm always proud to see WM fighters in their Baronial
tabards at any time.)

Baronne Guenièvre



On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J. C. Smith ispán <jsmithcsa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> There are no laws about this kind of thing, but here is my advice as a 
>long-time
> herald and fighter (the latter, not recently). This is just my opinion -- 
>others
> may, and probably will, disagree.
>
> 1.  It's up to the fighter -- he can use his currently registered heraldry or
> none at all.  I tend to discourage folks from using unregistered heraldry*.
>
> 2&3.  Best to use a blank tabard/surcoat/shield until something is registered.
>
> *I got some good advice when I was a newbie that I have often repeated:  don't
> sew or paint anything that may change when it's registered.  Do you 
really want
> to rip out and redo that surcoat because Laurel rules that the scary monster
> needs to be portrayed a certain way, or can't be used at all?  Do you really
> want to repaint that shield for the same reason?  Better to be patient.
>
>
> Barcsi Janos
> Black Raven Herald
>
> JEFFREY C. SMITH
>
> "Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to 
be
> brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war."  -- Thucydides
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Amie Sparrow <troenwolf at hotmail.com>
> To: Merry Rose <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 8:23:47 AM
> Subject: [MR] Question about fighters & unpassed heraldry
>
>
> Hi List,
>
> I have a question about unpassed heraldry. My husband is a new heavy fighter
> (Fighter 1) and I have another friend who is also a new heavy fighter (Fighter
> 2). I am working with the assumption that fighters need heraldry.
>
> What do we do in a situation where the heraldry has not been submitted yet? 
The
> two situations are slightly different.
>
> Fighter 1 - Has passed heraldry, but wants new scarier heraldry. Should he use
> his current heraldry until the new heraldry gets approved? Or can he start 
>using
> the new scarier heraldry because he likes it better?
>
> Fighter 2 - Does not have heraldry at all. What should she do? Can she create 
a
> tabbard with heraldry that is being submitted while the submission works its 
>way
> through the heraldic review process?
>
> Fighter 3 - For good measure, I'm going to assume that there is at least one 
>new
> person reading the Merry Rose and wants to fight, but doesn't have the 
foggiest
> idea of what heraldry he or she wants. What should that person do if that 
>person
> wants to fight at an event?
>
> You can assume that none of these fighters is going to be in a crown 
tournament
> before heraldry is passed, so we can remove that possiblity from the 
>discussion.
>
> I have skimmed the SCA Marshall's Handbook and the Atlantian Book of Policy. I
> did not find anything that implied a fighter had to have heraldry at all (much
> to my surprise).
>
> What should these fighters do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amie
>
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