[MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water Challenge
Becky McEllistrem
bmcellis at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 17 05:01:48 PDT 2011
I'm not as worried about them suing you as much as worried about them suing SCA.
Rebecca
--- On Sat, 7/16/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:
> From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water Challenge
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 9:58 PM
> ok........
>
> tell the coopers i said their water, their well water, is
> nasty and might
> upset some folks city tummys and give them the runs.
> then suggest to them
> how much they could make my suing me in civil court if they
> can possibly
> prove libel. let me know how that works out. i
> promise you i know a little
> about the subject of water purity and my opinion is very
> sound. good luck!
>
> logan
>
> ps if anyone wants to drink the water please do
> so. paying .70 a gallon
> for cleaner water certainly might not be worth it.
>
>
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and
> they thought it was
> hell."
> Harry S Truman
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so
> severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> On Behalf Of Becky
> McEllistrem
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:09 PM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic
> Water Challenge
>
>
> I do get slander and libel mixed up frequently that is
> true.
>
> However it's not about what we think is it? It's
> about what the people
> accused of doing wrong think and whether they believe they
> have a right to
> sue us or not. Thus putting SCA in a position where
> we could get sued seems
> a bit careless.
>
> It is Ok to have an opinion about not liking the
> water. But I'm concerned
> that telling people the water is unsafe goes from opinion
> to action and
> crosses a line that could get us in trouble.
>
> Only those experienced in such cases will know.
> However pushing that
> envelope doesn't seem wise.
>
> Rebecca
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/16/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re:
> Pennsic Water
> > Challenge
> > To: "'Merry Rose'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 7:52 PM first it
> wouldnt be slander.
> > slander is spoken. libel is written.
> > regardless, stating my opinion whether or not the well
> water at
> > coopers lake should be defined as drinkable, or safe,
> has nothing at
> > all to do with libel. they dont charge for the
> water, nobody is
> > suddenly going to decide not to go to coopers lake
> because of what i
> > posted, no reasonable person will think less of the
> coopers or coopers
> > lake, no harm will come to them from my opinion
> (assuming that my
> > opinion is wrong.... maybe most folks think rusty,
> smelly, water is
> > great) they wont lose any money, their reputation isnt
> being
> > diminished, etc etc etc.
> >
> > some folks can drink well water without issue. heck
> ive been to
> > haiti, where the water is infested with giardia, and
> they drink it all
> > the time without issue. my caution has to do with
> folks that are not
> > used to well water, bad city water, or any other water
> with a
> > turbidity level as high as the water at coopers lake
> which stains
> > everything.
> > can you bleach it to
> > make it safe? sure. is it unsafe (as in bacteria
> that would cause
> > health issues in healthy adults?) probably not. i
> tested it a few
> > years ago and its contaminant level was above 400ppm
> (my meter only
> > went to 400ppm). for a reference charlotte city
> water (which is
> > nasty) was at 34ppm and aquafina (and lebleu) both
> came in at 1ppm.
> > harris teeter (grocery chain) was a admirable mention
> with their
> > "purified water" in gallon jugs at 2ppm and only .89
> per gallon. its
> > probably cheaper for most folks to just buy purified
> water in town for
> > the week than to buy bleach. of course if youre used
> to well water
> > none of this matters but if you live in a city and
> drink municipal
> > water you should stay clear of the water at pennsic.
> or not.......
> >
> > logan
> >
> > "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth,
> and they thought
> > it was hell."
> > Harry S Truman
> > "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so
> severe that his
> > vengeance need not be feared"
> > Niccolo Machiavelli
> > For your SCA combat needs please visit:
> > www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> >
> > www.ebonwoulfe.com
> >
> > For worldwide listings of fighter practices please
> visit:
> > www.fighterpractice.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Anne
> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:52 PM
> > To: Merry Rose
> > Subject: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic
> Water Challenge
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Anne <orionsdaughter at gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MR] care with accusations Re: Pennsic
> Water Challenge
> > To: Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > So........ if you have a question about the quality of
> pennsic water..
> > carry a gallon of bleach with you and an eyedropper...
> a few drops per
> > gallon and the water is potable. It might taste a
> bit funky but it is
> > drinkable.. and no not due to bleach if you don't
> overdo it. If you
> > do let it sit over night and the taste will disappear,
> bleach taste
> > that is.
> > I sail boats.. I sail in some truly funky places.. I
> drink the local
> > water that goes into the boat tanks.. before we fill I
> put in bleach.
> > cheap and solves pretty much any problem. I have
> other methods of
> > water purification but this one is the cheapest. One
> can also buy
> > water purification tablets online.
> > I drank the water at Coopers for yrs.. am still alive
> to tell the
> > tale. I seem to remember it had a bit of a mineral
> taste.. shrug...
> > cannot be any
> > worse than the "iron water" I grew up drinking in SC.
> > YMMV
> > lady aine
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Becky McEllistrem
> > <bmcellis at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I know I have had Pennsic water before and while
> not
> > what I've wanted,
> > > when you're hot in the middle of the field I know
> it
> > never made me truly
> > sick.
> > >
> > > Are we sure that Pennsic water is what made
> people
> > unhealthy and have
> > > documented it? I ask because I worry that if
> we
> > relate stories like
> > > that and they're not well documented with
> medical
> > testing we could
> > > become the group that brings SCA into a slander
> suit
> > with Coopers Lake
> > Campground.
> > > From what I understand slander suits are kind
> of
> > expensive.
> > >
> > > Rebecca
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > > > To: "'Atlantia maillist'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > > > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 9:46 PM "safe
> and
> > drinkable"? i would
> > > > hardly suggest that. the purity level of
> > pennsic well water is
> > > > horribly turbid and anyone who consumes it
> runs
> > the risk of peeing
> > > > from their butt for some time. in our
> camp
> > we have to change each
> > > > of our filters several times a week and
> upon
> > returning from pennsic
> > > > you can literally scrape the funk off your
> skin
> > and nails. bad
> > > > news......
> > > >
> > > > also, transporting water to pennsic isnt
> > necessary.
> > > > there are some tiny
> > > > small towns nearby that have places to buy
> the
> > water there. ;^)
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > logan
> > > >
> > > > "I never did give them hell. I just told
> the
> > truth, and they thought
> > > > it was hell."
> > > > Harry S Truman
> > > > "If an injury has to be done to a man it
> should
> > be so severe that
> > > > his vengeance need not be feared"
> > > > Niccolo Machiavelli
> > > > For your SCA combat needs please visit:
> > > > www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> > > >
> > > > www.ebonwoulfe.com
> > > >
> > > > For worldwide listings of fighter practices
> > please visit:
> > > > www.fighterpractice.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of David
> > > > Chessler
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:18 PM
> > > > To: Stefan li Rous; Atlantia maillist
> > > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > > >
> > > > Period would be to drink beer or small beer.
> Wine
> > in the south.
> > > > Small beer for breakfast and for children.
> > > >
> > > > What does Duke Cariadoc do in the Enchanted
> > Ground?
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Davitt il Bigollo da Pisa
> > > > Procurator parumper aurifex in Portus
> Liburni
> > Officina pro Moghul
> > > > terra Curalium quod Smaragdi ex Indicum
> quod
> > Serenus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > > Received: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:42:46 PM EDT
> > > > From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> > > > To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > > >
> > > > > Gracia Esperanca, Baronesa, Black
> Diamond,
> > asked:
> > > > > <<< Last year a challenge was
> set
> > forth...
> > > > water was needed for our
> > > > > troops at Pennsic. Atlantia in all
> > her
> > > > generosity responded with over
> > > > > 300 gallons! The amount was
> staggering
> > and yet
> > > > we still ran out of
> > > > > water before the end war. With every
> passing
> > day, War
> > > > draws closer and
> > > > > once again the challenge
> > > > sounds. There is no minimum
> > effort....
> > > > no
> > > > > one should give what they can not, but
> any
> > effort is
> > > > vastly welcomed
> > > > > and appreciated and every gallon of
> water is
> > a great
> > > > help. Can we beat
> > > > > last year's numbers? >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps this is clear to everyone, but
> I'm
> > not sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you asking for gallon containers
> of
> > drinking water
> > > > to be imported
> > > > > to Pennsic from elsewhere or are you
> asking
> > for empty
> > > > containers which
> > > > > can be filled up at Pennsic?
> > > > >
> > > > > For those unfamiliar with Pennsic
> water, it
> > is safe
> > > > and drinkable, but
> > > > > it has a high iron content which many
> people
> > don't
> > > > like, and if you
> > > > > leave a bottle of it out in the sun,
> it
> > begins to turn
> > > > a disconcerting
> > > > > brown from the rust.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pennsic-water-msg (6K) 9/ 1/07 Dealing
> with
> > the
> > > > Pennsic drinking water.
> > > > > http://www.florilegium.org/files/PENNSIC/Pennsic-water-msg.html
> > > > >
> > > > > So if you have room to throw in
> several
> > gallon
> > > > containers, I'm sure it
> > > > > would help. And you can fill that space
> with
> > goodies
> > > > from shopping on
> > > > > the way home. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Stefan
> > > > >
> > > > > --------
> > > > > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of
> > Bryn
> > > > Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > > > > Mark S. Harris
> > > > Austin, Texas
> > > >
> > > > StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> > > > > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files
> > at:
> > > > > http://www.florilegium.org
> > > > > ****
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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