[MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water Challenge
Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
thorwulff at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 16 22:50:47 PDT 2011
I think we should just flush this subject from the list.
tummy problems,pure water or not. mundanly its a camp ground run all season.
need I say more?
purely in service,
Torgar
Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.
Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
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From: Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water Challenge
I do get slander and libel mixed up frequently that is true.
However it's not about what we think is it? It's about what the people accused of doing wrong think and whether they believe they have a right to sue us or not. Thus putting SCA in a position where we could get sued seems a bit careless.
It is Ok to have an opinion about not liking the water. But I'm concerned that telling people the water is unsafe goes from opinion to action and crosses a line that could get us in trouble.
Only those experienced in such cases will know. However pushing that envelope doesn't seem wise.
Rebecca
--- On Sat, 7/16/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:
> From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water Challenge
> To: "'Merry Rose'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 7:52 PM
> first it wouldnt be slander.
> slander is spoken. libel is written.
> regardless, stating my opinion whether or not the well
> water at coopers lake
> should be defined as drinkable, or safe, has nothing at all
> to do with
> libel. they dont charge for the water, nobody is
> suddenly going to decide
> not to go to coopers lake because of what i posted, no
> reasonable person
> will think less of the coopers or coopers lake, no harm
> will come to them
> from my opinion (assuming that my opinion is
> wrong.... maybe most folks
> think rusty, smelly, water is great) they wont lose any
> money, their
> reputation isnt being diminished, etc etc etc.
>
> some folks can drink well water without issue. heck
> ive been to haiti,
> where the water is infested with giardia, and they drink it
> all the time
> without issue. my caution has to do with folks that
> are not used to well
> water, bad city water, or any other water with a turbidity
> level as high as
> the water at coopers lake which stains everything.
> can you bleach it to
> make it safe? sure. is it unsafe (as in
> bacteria that would cause health
> issues in healthy adults?) probably not. i tested it
> a few years ago and
> its contaminant level was above 400ppm (my meter only went
> to 400ppm). for
> a reference charlotte city water (which is nasty) was at
> 34ppm and aquafina
> (and lebleu) both came in at 1ppm. harris teeter
> (grocery chain) was a
> admirable mention with their "purified water" in gallon
> jugs at 2ppm and
> only .89 per gallon. its probably cheaper for most
> folks to just buy
> purified water in town for the week than to buy
> bleach. of course if youre
> used to well water none of this matters but if you live in
> a city and drink
> municipal water you should stay clear of the water at
> pennsic. or
> not.......
>
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and
> they thought it was
> hell."
> Harry S Truman
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so
> severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> On Behalf Of Anne
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:52 PM
> To: Merry Rose
> Subject: [MR] Fwd: care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water
> Challenge
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Anne <orionsdaughter at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR] care with accusations Re: Pennsic Water
> Challenge
> To: Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
>
>
> So........ if you have a question about the quality of
> pennsic water.. carry
> a gallon of bleach with you and an eyedropper... a few
> drops per gallon and
> the water is potable. It might taste a bit funky but
> it is drinkable.. and
> no not due to bleach if you don't overdo it. If you
> do let it sit over
> night and the taste will disappear, bleach taste that is.
> I sail boats.. I sail in some truly funky places.. I drink
> the local water
> that goes into the boat tanks.. before we fill I put in
> bleach. cheap and
> solves pretty much any problem. I have other methods
> of water purification
> but this one is the cheapest. One can also buy water
> purification tablets
> online.
> I drank the water at Coopers for yrs.. am still alive to
> tell the tale. I
> seem to remember it had a bit of a mineral taste.. shrug...
> cannot be any
> worse than the "iron water" I grew up drinking in SC.
> YMMV
> lady aine
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Becky McEllistrem
> <bmcellis at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > I know I have had Pennsic water before and while not
> what I've wanted,
> > when you're hot in the middle of the field I know it
> never made me truly
> sick.
> >
> > Are we sure that Pennsic water is what made people
> unhealthy and have
> > documented it? I ask because I worry that if we
> relate stories like
> > that and they're not well documented with medical
> testing we could
> > become the group that brings SCA into a slander suit
> with Coopers Lake
> Campground.
> > From what I understand slander suits are kind of
> expensive.
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/15/11, Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > > To: "'Atlantia maillist'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > > Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 9:46 PM "safe and
> drinkable"? i would
> > > hardly suggest that. the purity level of
> pennsic well water is
> > > horribly turbid and anyone who consumes it runs
> the risk of peeing
> > > from their butt for some time. in our camp
> we have to change each
> > > of our filters several times a week and upon
> returning from pennsic
> > > you can literally scrape the funk off your skin
> and nails. bad
> > > news......
> > >
> > > also, transporting water to pennsic isnt
> necessary.
> > > there are some tiny
> > > small towns nearby that have places to buy the
> water there. ;^)
> > >
> > > regards
> > > logan
> > >
> > > "I never did give them hell. I just told the
> truth, and they thought
> > > it was hell."
> > > Harry S Truman
> > > "If an injury has to be done to a man it should
> be so severe that
> > > his vengeance need not be feared"
> > > Niccolo Machiavelli
> > > For your SCA combat needs please visit:
> > > www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> > >
> > > www.ebonwoulfe.com
> > >
> > > For worldwide listings of fighter practices
> please visit:
> > > www.fighterpractice.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of David
> > > Chessler
> > > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:18 PM
> > > To: Stefan li Rous; Atlantia maillist
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > >
> > > Period would be to drink beer or small beer. Wine
> in the south.
> > > Small beer for breakfast and for children.
> > >
> > > What does Duke Cariadoc do in the Enchanted
> Ground?
> > > --
> > >
> > > Davitt il Bigollo da Pisa
> > > Procurator parumper aurifex in Portus Liburni
> Officina pro Moghul
> > > terra Curalium quod Smaragdi ex Indicum quod
> Serenus
> > >
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > Received: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:42:46 PM EDT
> > > From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> > > To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] Pennsic Water Challenge
> > >
> > > > Gracia Esperanca, Baronesa, Black Diamond,
> asked:
> > > > <<< Last year a challenge was set
> forth...
> > > water was needed for our
> > > > troops at Pennsic. Atlantia in all
> her
> > > generosity responded with over
> > > > 300 gallons! The amount was staggering
> and yet
> > > we still ran out of
> > > > water before the end war. With every passing
> day, War
> > > draws closer and
> > > > once again the challenge
> > > sounds. There is no minimum
> effort....
> > > no
> > > > one should give what they can not, but any
> effort is
> > > vastly welcomed
> > > > and appreciated and every gallon of water is
> a great
> > > help. Can we beat
> > > > last year's numbers? >>>
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps this is clear to everyone, but I'm
> not sure.
> > > >
> > > > Are you asking for gallon containers of
> drinking water
> > > to be imported
> > > > to Pennsic from elsewhere or are you asking
> for empty
> > > containers which
> > > > can be filled up at Pennsic?
> > > >
> > > > For those unfamiliar with Pennsic water, it
> is safe
> > > and drinkable, but
> > > > it has a high iron content which many people
> don't
> > > like, and if you
> > > > leave a bottle of it out in the sun, it
> begins to turn
> > > a disconcerting
> > > > brown from the rust.
> > > >
> > > > Pennsic-water-msg (6K) 9/ 1/07 Dealing with
> the
> > > Pennsic drinking water.
> > > > http://www.florilegium.org/files/PENNSIC/Pennsic-water-msg.html
> > > >
> > > > So if you have room to throw in several
> gallon
> > > containers, I'm sure it
> > > > would help. And you can fill that space with
> goodies
> > > from shopping on
> > > > the way home. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Stefan
> > > >
> > > > --------
> > > > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of
> Bryn
> > > Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > > > Mark S. Harris
> > > Austin, Texas
> > >
> > > StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> > > > **** See Stefan's Florilegium files
> at:
> > > > http://www.florilegium.org
> > > > ****
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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