[MR] BBC: Kate Middleton's Heraldic Arms

[J. C. Smith ispán]

Hi there,

I don't see how matriculating arms is going to " increase the reputation of 
his family name" any more than his daughter marrying the grandson of the Queen 
would.  Is he taking advantage of the system?  Perhaps, but my guess is he could 
have asked for arms at any time -- he did pay for this, which means he had the 
money all along.  If he got anything at all out of it, it may be that the 
College of Arms sped up his process so they could put the joint arms on the 
invitations -- this is not like getting a Grant or Award of Arms in the SCA.  So 
far, all this has done is cost him a few thousand dollars to get something he 
could have gotten anyway -- in the past he would have gotten a peerage out of 
it.

Barcsi Janos
 
JEFFREY C. SMITH 
 
"What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say."  -- Ralph Waldo 
Emerson





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From: Michelle <mobishob at yahoo.com>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:06:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] BBC: Kate Middleton's Heraldic Arms

Did any heralds cringe at the ski slopes in the design?  Maybe its just me, or 
maybe the tone of the article, but I got the impression the father was being 
opportunistic. 

It seems like the whole point of getting her heraldry approved was only to put 
her in the same social strata as her fiance.  But the father has taken advantage 

to increase the reputation of his family name. 


Please don't flame me too hard ;)   I'm ignorant of these things, but it just 
felt "off" and I'm wondering if anyone else had the same impression.

Cheers
Cynical Fen
  

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From: Nicole E. Miller <schnauzer2 at cox.net>
To: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 1:18:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] BBC: Kate Middleton's Heraldic Arms

Lord Mungo,

The use of a lozenge is fully permitted in SCA heraldry, there is even a 
submission form with that shape.  Once a device passes registration the "general 


shape" the bearer chooses to display is quite open to artistic license.  
Traditionally only women used the lozenge though I do not believe we have any 
specific rules to prevent a gentleman from doing so, and most women register 
theirs on a shield as well.  The official submission forms use the basic shape 
for uniformity of records, but if  you want some alternative shape on you 
personal items, more power to you.  It might cause a little twitching from 
heralds who walk by, but we will survive.  LOL

In service,
Sain
---- "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu> wrote: 

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Kate Middleton, via the Middleton family, now has officially approved 
heraldic arms: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13127145 . Not being a 
herald, I can't comment upon the design, except to say is both striking 
and attractive. The shape of the shield is very interesting, and I 
wonder if this will allowed as a variant in our heraldry.
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