[MR] Pearl Promenade Passport Prizes and Thanks

[Gise]

 Labia on the ultrasound, huh? Methinks Duke Logan's life is about to become really reeeeaalllyyyyy interesting. =o) Mozeltov! 

I work for a sister chain to Food Lion grocery stores. The venders (PepsiCo, CocaCola, FritoLays and so on) used to have raffles all the time. People filled out a slip of paper with their name, phone number and maybe address, put it in a box and on a certain date, one was drawn for the bike or go-cart or ... three-drawed family credunza that was on display.

The customers didn't have to wager or gamble anything. ... or buy anything or give anything but their contact information for in case they won.

In NC, at least, that is a violation of the gambling laws. Each organization is allowed ONE raffle a year. Not each store, not each vender. And there's some question about whether DelHaize America (the owner of Food Lion and Bottom Dollar, where I work and Blooms and Harvey's and Hannaford and so on) is one organization ... since they own us all and several of the chains have a presence in NC, then only one of us may hold any sort of raffle in any given year ...

It doesn't matter if it makes sense to us if it's the way the law has been and is being enforced by the authorities. With general coffers running so tight I wouldn't want to put the Society in a potentially costly position. Unless we want to be a test case and I'd say right now the SCA Lawyers have bigger fires to put out.

~gise



 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: isolda1066 at gmail.com <isolda1066 at gmail.com>
To: Logan at ebonwoulfe.com; atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:17 am
Subject: Re: [MR] Pearl Promenade Passport Prizes and Thanks


Agreed!  If the passports cost something to obtain, then I could see how gambling might be interpreted, but the passports are given out.  This is a door prize, not a lottery...perhaps we just need to change the wording? 
 
Regards, 
Isolda 
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-----Original message----- 
From: Logan <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com> 
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 03:55:08 GMT+00:00 
Subject: Re: [MR] Pearl Promenade Passport Prizes and Thanks 
 
weeee  daddy-hood!  it would have been so much easier had my son not been 
ultrasound(ed) with a labia!  labia?  really! 
 
my question is based only on my understanding of the definition of gambling. 
that definition requires, in all states, the wager and potential loss of 
something of value to engage in the blind chance of winning something of 
greater value.  paying admission to an event that everyone attending the 
event isnt considered as such.  at least when i dealt with this just a few 
years ago and checking with the laws of ga/sc/nc/va/and md.  from what ive 
read, and based on what i learned just a few years ago, i dont see how what 
vels is suggesting could be confused with any definition of gambling.  also, 
since the kingdom isnt involved, i cant see why this is even a concern. 
perhaps im missing something? 
 
regards 
logan 
 
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-----Original Message----- 
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Terri 
Morgan 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:21 PM 
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
Subject: Re: [MR] Pearl Promenade Passport Prizes and Thanks 
 
The father-to-be wrote: 
> how is it gambling? > does the person with one of these passport things actually wager money?>  or anything of value that would be considered a loss? 
> regards, logan 
 
Some county (and/or state) legislations have really, really odd ways of 
looking at such a thing. I know that one of the counties in North Carolina 
(don't know about the rest) views anything offered as a 'lottery' based on 
'ticket sales' (price of admission) as gambling. *We* might not see it that 
way, but they do and it sure adds to the headache of the exchequer's office. 
Mistress Anne most likely has a nice file with all the ins and outs about it 
that she can use to guide Vels' fun project to fruition. 
 
If you think her caution was weird, you should have seen what I hit up 
against one year when we thought we were going to be selling lottery tickets 
for a fund-raiser at Pennsic. Whoa, was that a kerflop! I think I nearly 
made the Lord Mayor have a heart attack that year, bringing an out-of-state 
'raffle' to his War! 
 
Hrothny 
 
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