[MR] pare down the feast?!?nooooooo
sandra payne
sandrap7 at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 23 06:42:33 PDT 2010
Where else can you try new foods and enjoy company with friends? I love a relaxed lengthy dinner! Some wine and it is even better! Besides, you really get your money's worth as well...Perhaps a raffle for a dress, garment or even armor that someone has outgrown or not use anymore to make ends meet...
Sandra Glaes Payne Lady Alexandra Linden Gangefeyr
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1. Re: Well, we could pare down the feast, for one thing. (Brynjolf)
2. Re: Event Costs (David Wendelken)
3. Re: lowering event fees (Maymunah al Siqilliyah)
4. Re: Lowering event fees (Maymunah al Siqilliyah)
5. Re: Combat Archery at War of the Wings (Siegfried)
6. Pennsic Service Opportunities (scribe0002 at aol.com)
7. Re: Combat Archery at War of the Wings (Vels inn Viggladi)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:10:26 -0400
From: Brynjolf <theredbearded at gmail.com>
To: Gina Shelley <paintedwheel at hotmail.com>
Cc: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Well, we could pare down the feast, for one thing.
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I'm of the opposite opinion. Feasts are one of the reasons I joined the SCA,
and after five years, they are still the highlight of most events for me.
I find my Dream at a well set table with good friends enjoying good food and
good wine. Lengthy removes add to that enjoyment. I'm happy sitting at a
feast table for four hours or more, and would be disappointed if everything
was served all at once in the mundane style.
Again, just an opinion. I could see how folks who didn't feel this way would
be bored to tears by the fifth remove, but big feasts are such an integral
part of how we play the game...
-Brynjolf
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Gina Shelley <paintedwheel at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> I hate most feasts. There. I said it.
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>
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> That in no way take anything from the feastcrat or the staff. Usually, the
> food is pretty good. I just don't want to sit all bloody night to get it. So
> I guess I should rephrase this: I hate the way we usually SERVE feast.
>
>
>
> My two favorite feasts from last year:
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>
>
> Twelfth Night. Just a big table full of food and we get to eat when we are
> hungry. Something runs out, oh well. There's plenty else.
>
>
>
> Midwinter's Tale: If I am thinking of the right event, it was a bowl of
> nice stew and some bread and butter. Since it was so cold and wet and dark
> outside, that really hit the spot.
>
>
>
> I personally do not like sitting through remove after remove after endless
> for God sake make it stop remove. I get bored out of my skull and start
> playing with the candles. I come home from events with minor burns on my
> skin and wax in my hair. I almost set Ivar's pants on fire at Birthday.
>
>
>
> We could just eat, clean up, and do some dancing or something, rather than
> sitting there lighting ourselves on fire. The meal feels like a series of
> really unsatisfying snacks instead of a good filling meal. I got low sugar
> and a short attention span, the only reason I don't usually bring my own
> supper like I used to anymore is because I am old and crotchety now and
> don't feel like adding one more thing to have to mess with just to go to an
> event.
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>
>
> My eating at feast has less to do with any glad anticipation on my part and
> more to do with my own laziness. I am just saying.
>
>
>
> And anyone who cleans up after feast can tell you how much food goes to
> waste. It would be a better meal and less work and expense to make a few
> good, filling offerings that will get eaten than a dozen or more that won't.
> We spend way too much time and money on all this food that ends up getting
> tossed.
>
>
>
> Just my unsolicited opinion,
>
> Dulcy
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:08:55 -0400
From: "David Wendelken" <david_wendelken at nc.rr.com>
To: <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] Event Costs
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I've known people who wanted to join the SCA who were so poor that they
couldn't afford to fight at fighter practice using the freely supplied
armour.
They simply couldn't afford the 15 minute trip across town.
What did I do to encourage and enable their SCA membership?
Organize car pools and donate costumes?
Nope.
I told them they needed to focus on getting a better job that would get
their finances in order. Real life (TM) needs to take precedence over
make-believe kingdoms. I've lived that advice from both sides can attest to
how much better life got once I got the skills to get a better paying job.
They didn't need to put their emotional energy and spare time into costumes
and SCA accomplishments, they needed to learn the real life skills that
would enable them to get and keep a better paying job.
I also told them I couldn't wait to see them back again, once they got
things in the real world in order.
That's called tough love.
The SCA is a remarkably inexpensive hobby, and I don't think our autocrats
need to be apologizing for event costs. They do a darn good job.
I would challenge those who disagree to autocrat a local event and show us
all how to do as good a job more cheaply! :)
Andras Salamandra
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:25:20 -0400
From: Maymunah al Siqilliyah <alsiqilliyah at gmail.com>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] lowering event fees
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Good suggestions. Our barony now has a financial policy on feasts that
is basically what you are recommending; also, no refunds for feast after
a certain date BEFORE the event because on that date the number of folks
to be fed at feast will be set for the cook and the food purchased.
I have a lot of food allergies and don't usually think the lunch or day
board is a bargain, because I still have to bring my most of my own
food. Many vegetarians feel the same way. There are a few exceptions -
when Kiri cooks for a Day in the Middle East, there is always enough
variety for me to get a real meal out of the day board.
But this brings me to another thought; every event does not have to be
the same. We have big, more expensive, more complex events, and
smaller, cheaper, simpler events. Sometimes we budget an event to only
break even or even lose a little, like a Baronial Birthday, or we donate
the cost of the event to the Kingdom such as for a University or
Unevent. Providing variety is more likely to make everyone happy than
if we bring all events down to a lowest common denominator.
On 6/22/2010 10:01 PM, Carolyn Cox wrote:
> I have found this thread very interesting and have read every letter. Lots of interesting viewpoints and ideas. I think our events are very reasonably priced, as they have always been. You'd have great difficulty finding another weekend or even all day activity at a lower cost, and certainly not one with so much to offer. All the reasons why our events cost as much as they do have been well explained by those who know. However, I have thought of a couple of things that could lower costs a little bit, though I wonder if gentles would think it worth the loss. One way to help matters would be to take the guess work out of the feast and serve a feast only for those who have pre-registered for it. Unsold feast seats are a common loss of revenue for events Another cost is the lunch that now so often comes with the entry fee. I personally think this makes it an even better deal, but I remember the old days when the only food provided at an
event was the feast. We were o
n
> our own otherwise, though sometimes feast leftovers would serve as breakfast on Sunday. Eliminating these two expenses might allow autocrats to shave a couple of bucks off the fee for an event.. I know that every autocrat lives with the fear that gentles will consider their prices too high and fail to come. They all cut their costs as much as possible, and events often lose money at the current prices. YIS, Averey
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:35:49 -0400
From: Maymunah al Siqilliyah <alsiqilliyah at gmail.com>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Lowering event fees
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I don't think Ray was suggesting a hard and fast rule. In my Barony,
the autocrat can present a budget in which teachers were comped and if
the numbers work out then he/she could do that. That prevents said
slippery slope, because it is a one time decision and not a general policy.
Also, having taught a lot of classes in my time, it's not a matter of
being reimbursed for your time; it's a matter of being reimbursed for
the $40 you spent making copies at Kinkos or for the art materials you
provide for hands on classes. I have so consistently lost money on
classes, and not just a little money, but $50 - $75 for a University,
that I have a new method for classes. I've taught classes with a large
handout with color images and gotten three or four dollars back as
contributions from the students even when my class description required
a $2 donation from everyone! I now put my 'handouts' on google docs,
with the scanned art work or whatever in an online gallery and give the
attendees a one page black and white hand out that gives them links to
my online presence where they can view art images and print out
bibliographies to their heart's content. It also allows me to make
corrections or additions to the topic over time and have that available
to those interested. That way, I only lose the ink cartridge expense to
print out those 20 pages, instead of paying for 20 copies of a 12 page
article.
On 6/22/2010 11:40 PM, scribe0002 at aol.com wrote:
> This is a very practical solution on the surface. However, it becomes a very slippery slope. If teachers are comped, should the gate keeper be? What about the person who sits gate 8 hours? The person cleaning the showers? The head cook? The person who spent the day washing dishes? The MoL?
>
> I'm not trying to be confrontational here but it's a question I've twisted over myself.
>
> If we start comping people who give their time and resources, where do we stop? Who is more deserving than others?
>
> ~gise ... sometime event steward
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy B. Scherer<rscherer at infionline.net>
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] Lowering event fees
>
>
> Earlier, one gentle mentioned that he would have liked to attend an event and present a class in an appropriate A&S, but was deterred from doing so by the combination of up-front costs he would incur for teaching/demo supplies, in addition to the event fee.
> Perhaps, to address similar concerns from others, autocrats might consider waiving event fees, in full or in part, for those who will be teaching.
> Having never autocratted an event, I cannot judge how practical this suggestion may be . . . but perhaps it's worthy of consideration.
> -- YIS,
> -- Britton
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:45:59 -0400
From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Combat Archery at War of the Wings
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>> you have to be authorized to take the field with anything.
>
> Presumably Javelin would require a "thrown weapons" authorization. But if
> there is no specific rule authorizing thrown weapons in the scenario, then no
> one's going to be out on the field throwing them.
Actually, thrown weapons (Javelins, Axes, etc) on the Heavy Field are
available to 'any fighter authorized in any heavy contact form'. So if
you have a S&B, Spear, or CA auth, you can use Javelins/Axes.
(After inspection by a Heavy Marshal such that they meet the rules of
the Marshal's handbook, of course)
Siegfried
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:58:04 -0400
From: scribe0002 at aol.com
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, AtlantianHeralds at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MR] Pennsic Service Opportunities
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I'm forwarding a note from Mistress Juliana da Luna, this year's Pennsic Heralds Point Coordinator.
It includes opportunities for many people to find service and good company at Pennsic. People who can draw or simply color inside the lines will be welcomed and lauded as well as exchequers and heralds and folks who can file paperwork.
I will vouch for the fun and good folks found at Heralds' Point and encourage everyone to consider spending a bit of time there this year.
~gise
Forwarded Message:
Pennsic is coming, and as usual, we need lots of heraldic volunteers!
First, herald's point is looking for consulting heralds: don't worry, we train. It's a great 'heraldic boot camp' to get you up and running. For those who are more experienced, we have a great library to play with both for names and armory. It's also a great chance to meet some of the folks you've only "met" online.
We also need heraldic artists, folks willing to help with paperwork, and exchequers or other folks willing to take money. So, if you want to come, we'll find you something to do.
Second, Cries is on a big push this year. So we'll need voice and field heralds to come volunteer as well.
We look forward to seeing you all there!
Juliana
(in her guise as Herald's Point coordinator)
julias at alumni.pitt.edu
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:29:29 -0400
From: Vels inn Viggladi <velsthe1 at hotmail.com>
To: <chessler at usa.net>, <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] Combat Archery at War of the Wings
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> > you have to be authorized to take the field with anything.
>
>
> Presumably Javelin would require a "thrown weapons" authorization.
Nope. "Thrown Weapons" is not a combat authorization. His Grace was correct, in Atlantia _any_ combat auth allows a combatant to use thrown weapons (in melees that have missile weapons).
>Or, if someone wants to allow "thrown golf-tube arrows", then this could be
> included in the "archery" authorization ("you don't have to shoot the arrow
> from a bow; you only have to throw it"), but the participants would still have
> to authorize in archery.
The only shaft materials allowed for javelins within SCA Combat at this time is Polyethylene pipe (Siloflex or equivalent manufactured to ASTM D2239 or ASTM D2737 Standards) or rattan. And if you can figure out how to make a 5ft rattan javelin that weighs under 2lbs, please let the world know. Great for darts, though.
Golf-tube arrows are out too... have been for a few years now.
Vels
former Javelin enthusiast
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