[MR] Touchy discussions - read before replying to anything else, please.

Becky McEllistrem bmcellis at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 10 15:09:09 PDT 2010 

None of us know what it does for readers since we can't read everybody's mind can we?

In that regard then the delete key is still the best since I spent more of my time typing this than I did deleting the whole conversation it was about.



Rebecca



--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Glynis Gwynedd <ylandra at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Glynis Gwynedd <ylandra at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Touchy discussions - read before replying to anything else, please.
> To: "William de Faleston" <faleston at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Merry Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 6:23 AM
> The problem is that this sort of
> discussion (about the bigotry and
> intolerance) never solves anything. Now if, say, we found
> some way that
> would change the minds of the people at the upper echelons
> of the Boy Scouts
> to be more tolerant, then this whole discussion would prove
> useful. But
> because it isn't possible, we're picking up a dead horse
> and beating it
> against the side of the barn.
> 
> Off to set up some more filters...
> 
> ~Lady Glynis Gwynedd
> Barony of Highland Foorde
> "Have you hugged a harp today?"
> --
> "Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able
> to tell the
> difference."
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:11 AM, William de Faleston <faleston at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Rebecca said:
> >
> > I think in general each troop is as good as its leader
> and most problems
> > with discrimination are at the individual level rather
> than the national
> > level.
> >
> > Sadly, as His Grace pointed out, this is not the case.
> The BSA At the
> > national level is quite proud of it's anti-gay and
> anti-atheist/non-believer
> > policies. At the local level, it's often not a focus,
> which leads to the
> > problems we're having discussing this.
> >
> > For the most part, the bigotry and discrimination in
> the BSA comes from the
> > top. Most of the people around here who are involved
> in scouts are good,
> > welcoming people who have a genuine desire to help
> kids learn to be better
> > people.
> >
> > But even though those kids, and, in great measure,
> their local scout
> > leaders didn't make the discriminatory policy, the
> policy exists. A policy,
> > I might add, that the SCA, would never get away with.
> And as long as the
> > organization chooses to act this way, I won't support
> it by doing a demo for
> > the group. I also won't blame anyone else who chooses
> not to. And finally, I
> > certainly don't advocate us not talking about it on
> this list. To say a
> > certain topic is out of bounds because it is
> politically charged or because
> > it might upset people we rent sites from leaves a bad
> taste in my mouth. One
> > of the tenets of chivalry is truth, and though I am
> not a knight, I strive
> > to follow that code by speaking my mind on injustices
> I see.
> >
> > William de Faleston
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Becky McEllistrem <bmcellis at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  Actually the list owner decides what's on this
> list and I think it is
> >> relevant being that we do tons of demos for
> scouts.
> >>
> >> I think in general each troop is as good as its
> leader and most problems
> >> with discrimination are at the individual level
> rather than the national
> >> level.  This is often true for all groups.
> >>
> >> Most groups have a standard reporting process that
> does better with
> >> witnesses than the individual.  So if there
> is a problem to report that WE
> >> witness we should report it and hopefully with
> several witness CC'd on the
> >> report so one person can't pretend to never get a
> report.
> >>
> >> In either case we won't solve the problem here but
> suggestions to
> >> resolving problems do help and we do TONS of demos
> for scouts.
> >>
> >> Rebecca
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rebecca
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Glynis Gwynedd <ylandra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  From: Glynis Gwynedd <ylandra at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [MR] Touchy discussions - read before
> replying to anything else,
> >>> please.
> >>> To: "Merry Rose" <Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:26 PM
> >>> Let's nip this one in the bud before
> >>> it goes any further. There is a certain
> >>> type of discussion that belongs on this list -
> and bashing
> >>> Boy Scouts or any
> >>> other group is not part of that type of
> discussion.
> >>>
> >>> If y'all want to start an argument, let's
> discuss things
> >>> which do belong on
> >>> this list, like covering up camp chairs, not
> smoking on the
> >>> list field, the
> >>> politeness/rudeness (perceived or real) of
> attending/not
> >>> attending court,
> >>> splitting into principalities, the really good
> shortbread
> >>> we had at Highland
> >>> River Melees, tennis shoes, sunglasses,
> cameras, polyester,
> >>> and elves.
> >>>
> >>> By the way - if you can make it to an IKEA
> near you, the
> >>> Henriksdal white
> >>> chair cover costs $20 and fits those folding
> director's
> >>> chairs almost
> >>> perfectly. They're 100% cotton and of a heavy
> enough
> >>> material to not tear
> >>> when folding the chair up with the cover on.
> >>>
> >>> HENRIKSDAL
> >>> chair with armrests cover
> >>> article number: 70137896
> >>>
> >>> I like pizza. Let's talk about things that
> are
> >>> medieval.  Or at least
> >>> medievalish.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~Lady Glynis Gwynedd
> >>> Barony of Highland Foorde
> >>> "Have you hugged a harp today?"
> >>> --
> >>> "Never argue with an idiot. People watching
> may not be able
> >>> to tell the
> >>> difference."
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