[MR] Regarding the New Pennsic University Rule

[William de Faleston]

Those make sense, and are similar to policies I'm used to as a  
teacher. But
  while they are common sense, they could be a bit complex. I wonder  
if they were worried about implementing them and getting all teachers  
on board?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Joe S <jjshafferjr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that these are the 3 potential reasons for this new set of  
> rules, however the solutions to 1 and 3 are pretty much in place I  
> would imagine which suggests that your reason #2 is the reason for  
> the new policy. In any case, much less onerous solutions to those 3  
> problems are as follows:
>
> 1.) Allow instructors to kick people out (if they can't already).  
> Allow instructors to designate classes as "adult only" or  
> "supervision only." Allow non-parent, parent-designated adults to  
> accompany minors in loco parentis to prevent children from  
> disrupting classes.
>
> 2.) If the concern is parental control over content (which is what I  
> suspect) permission slips would be similarly effective and would  
> probably require less overhead to enforce than the current proposed  
> solution. (Are they asking for ID and birth certificates?)
>
> 3.) Make sure classes take place in public areas, don't allow  
> instructors to be the only adult present around children. (Isn't  
> that already how it works?)
>
> -Gawin Kappler
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:48 PM, William de Faleston <faleston at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> I share Master Richard's dismay at this, but I can imagine some of  
> the possible reasons for the new rule. This section of the letter is  
> telling:
>
>
> The reasons for this rule come out of multiple incidents in A&S  
> classes and in the Society in general dealing with children and youth.
>
>
> I'm not privy to any inside information, but that sounds like three  
> seperate and serious problems to me.
>
>  1. Underage kids unsupervised acting a fool in somebody's class.
>
> 2. Underaged kids in "adult" themed classes whose parents later  
> found out and had a hissy fit.
>
> 3. Real or imagined fears of underaged kids in classes where the  
> instructor could abuse them.
>
> I really can't think of a better way to handle these problems.
>
> William de Faleston
>
>  from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:40 AM, "Richard Wymarc" <rwymarc at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> From the website, for those who have not seen this:
>
> "New this Pennsic: no youth under the age of 18 may attend  
> activities in an A&S venue without a parent or legal guardian. "
>
> Open letter at: http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn39/cultural.html
>
> As a parent of a 15 year old, as a Laurel, and as a member of the  
> SCA for 25 years, I have extreme problems with this change.
>
> I am holding further comment for now.
>
> Master Richard Wymarc
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