[MR] Info you can pick up at Pennsic - Chainmail (Nataliia) --Fwd: Ek_fencing Digest, Vol 25, Issue 5

[David Chessler]

I forgot to say, Nataliia is the EK marshal of fence. From what she says
(elsewhere) the EK is as delighted with Pennsic as we here in the sunny
south.

I did not mean to step on Llwyd's toes, and should not have quoted his
"explanation" of why mail may not meet the corporate standard. I have seen
people wearing the mail sold by Darkwood, and the wire gauge is much thinner
than extant examples, and the ring size is much smaller. And the "texture" is
different because it is machine-welded rather than riveted. Thus, it can be
argued that it is not a sufficiently close reproduction of period mail. If any
riveted reproductions were to be accepted there would have to be standards of
wire gauge, material, ring size, and possibly riveting method. (The ring size
of the more conventional mail is too large to be tested with a drop tester or
mask punch. Indeed, the rings are probably large enough to admit a broken
foil.)

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:58:32 -0400
From: Nataliia <Nataliia at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ek_fencing] Info you can pick up at Pennsic - Chainmail
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More webpages.

http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/ireland.html


Nataliia


Nataliia wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I had a fascinating conversation with the Kingdom Marshal of Fence of 
> Aethelmearc regarding the upsurge of chainmail outfits as armor.  This 
> led to a discussion not of the marshallate way of looking at it, but as 
> a fashion.  I'm tending toward being a period snob sometimes when it 
> comes to just throwing the chainmail over something and calling it good.
>
> So Donnan provided me with some late period depictions of chainmail and 
> how it was worn.
>
>     In many of the plates, English cavalry are depicted as wearing 
> uncovered mail.  Such as this :
>
>
http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0062_jpg.htm
>
>      Native troops are also shown in uncovered mail in this plate:
>
>
http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/Gallery/researchcoll/pages/bg0061_jpg.htm
>
>    While there are a few things suspect in the depictions of Irish 
> costume in Image of Ireland (the depictions of the ionar as looking 
> almost like a tutu), other sources confirm  the basics of Irish costume 
> shown. Since the engraving was done in England, we can assume that the 
> depiction of English troops are for the most part accurate, and that for 
> light cavalry at least, uncovered mail was common.
>
>    Hope this helps
> Donnan
>
>
> And I hope that this is helpful to fencers now wearing chainmail.
>
>
> Nataliia
>



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