[MR] Possible confusion/miscommunication regarding archery

Tue Apr 13 16:31:31 PDT 2010

>Dear fellow Atlantians, it occurs to me that Nuala and Duke Logan may be 
>talking at cross purposes. I'm acquainted with Nuala; she's one of the 
>Target Archery marshals for the Barony of Storvik. I believe she's 
>criticizing the rules about field setup for target archery. Duke Logan, as 
>an armored fighter, seems to have assumed that she was speaking of combat 
>archery. Whatever his views on combat archery, I have the impression that 
>Logan is well disposed toward *target* archery. I also suspect that Duke 
>Logan's ironic sense of humor was not apparent to Nuala; when Logan was 
>saying "when it comes to rule changes it doesnt make a lot of sense to ask
> those that are effected since the bias will almost always be "i like the 
> way
> we do it" so consulting archers, or fighters, or rapier folk, etc about
> concerns that will change their game makes little sense," I believe he was 
> being ironic, since in other forums he has expressed criticism of certain 
> changes that came down from the Society Earl Marshal.

(Hope this helps to avoid another Merry Rose blowup.)

Tibbie Croser, Barony of Storvik


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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:38:13 -0400
> From: "logan" <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> To: <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Atlantia Digest, Vol 87, Issue 16
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> you make a lot of assumptions, or at least you hint at such.  i assure you
> that for the most part those within the marshallate on a kingdom and 
> society
> level weigh heavily on changes to the rules.  it certainly isnt a 
> situation
> of poor lowly "peasant archers" that have been treated poorly because of
> their position in our sport.  it is, in fact, quite the opposite.  you, 
> like
> anyone else, have the right to enter into the marshallate training program
> and enter into any discussions related to what occurs on the field.  being
> someone that has been part of that body for nearly twenty years as well as
> someone who has participated as a fighter/target for longer i can assure 
> you
> that each and every rule change is discussed and weighed before any 
> changes
> are made.  there are a ton of experienced combat archers involved in rule
> changes and having worked intimately with our kingdom earl marshal and all
> of his deputies i have a lot of faith in their commitment to our sport and
> to those that wish to use us as their targets.  i hope that you will give
> them a little more credit, i think they deserve it.
>
> just a side note, while the longbow (and any hand drawn missile weapon for
> that matter) did play a part in medieval warfare it was, in fact, a small
> part.  im not sure what point you were trying to make with that or what 
> you
> are/were implying and im only asking for clarification as it reads as 
> though
> you are expressing some concern with being looked at as a second class
> citizen or something.  while that was true for archers in period i promise
> you that is not at all the way it is viewed in this kingdom.
>
> regards
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it 
> was
> hell."
> Harry S Truman
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of
> nualaofneedwood at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:55 PM
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] Atlantia Digest, Vol 87, Issue 16
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>
> Thank you. This was a most interesting reply. I sincerely doubt that any
> group of fighters including you would allow those who do not fight at all,
> say, a bunch of target archers, to decide to change the rules of your
> weapons game, all the while telling you that you should not be consulted
> because of course you don't know what's good for you! I would never 
> presume
> to change the rules of your game if I do not intimately understand and
> participate in your game. I may be but a lowly peasant archer whose
> acquaintance you will never make, but suffice it to say, I politely 
> disagree
> that archers should not have been widely consulted on the rules changes,
> which are not by any stretch of the imagination without unintended
> consequences for how, where, and even if we play our game. Yet I do agree
> that acceptance is the best path: I am sure I will have no more powerful
> voice in our 21st century version of medieval life than my kind had in the
> days in which we lived by the longbow and won
>  wars for the English.
>
> Nuala of Needwood
>
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> -----Original Message----
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:59:13 -0400
> From: "logan" <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> To: <atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Atlantia Digest, Vol 87, Issue 15
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> the crown chooses who their champion is based on whatever criteria they
> wish.  there is a competition that declares someone the winner and they
> become the royal archer much like the royal brewer but those are very
> different.
>
> as to your question regarding changes to rules and whether or not that is 
> an
> attempt to "kill archery in atlantia" while atlantia is, without question,
> the driving force in the whole of the sca it is doubtful that rules made 
> on
> a society level are made to have some nefarious effect on atlantia alone.
> all of our martial disciplines undergo constant review and rules are 
> changed
> as concerns become apparent.  sometimes those concerns are, well, pretty
> silly and based on a bunch of "could be", "what if", might happen", "i
> think", type of idiocy.  nonetheless, rules are rules and we all have to
> adapt.  when it comes to rule changes it doesnt make a lot of sense to ask
> those that are effected since the bias will almost always be "i like the 
> way
> we do it" so consulting archers, or fighters, or rapier folk, etc about
> concerns that will change their game makes little sense.  the hope, and i 
> do
> say that with a straight face no matter how hard it is sometimes, is that
> those folks that raise their hands and become empowered with "safety" are
> actually looking out for the greater good.  sometimes they are wrong, more
> often they are right.  however, what we all must do is accept any changes
> and then provide feedback, if needed, should things need to be changed.
>
> regards
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it 
> was
> hell."
> Harry S Truman
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
> For your amouring needs please visit:
> www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
>
> www.ebonwoulfe.com
>
> For worldwide listings of fighter practices please visit:
> www.fighterpractice.com
>
> >
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