[MR] clean and light

[logan]

i agree, even a rare few times when everyone is staring at each other with
that "wth?" look on their faces is too much.  ive been there and ive done
that.  still, in the end, we must simply accept that the fighter being hit
simply did not feel the shot was good and trust their judgment.  now, when
its the same cat over and over again it does make you a little less
accepting of them and more wondering if there is, indeed, a problem.  thanks
for clarifying!

regards
logan

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hell." 
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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Medwyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:45 AM
To: 'Merry Rose'
Subject: Re: [MR] clean and light

I understand what you are saying, and yes, it is true that only the one 
being struck can truly gauge if the blow feels strong enough.

I'm not going to argue what I witnessed. You have your experiences and I 
have mine, and we can let it rest there.

To address your specific comments here:

 > "you believe that you have seen many fighters blow off shots that 
they felt were good many times."

I said "far too many" - which to me, even a few is far too many - but 
looking at what I wrote, I certainly see how I gave a much different 
impression. Allow me to clarify, then, by saying "some" or "a few", 
which I think is still far too many :-)

 > "this is disheartening."

Yes, it was - obviously for different reasons to me than to you. I 
understand what you're saying, and let me say that after a number of 
years away and a significant change in location, I am finding Atlantia 
to more resemble the SCA that I had grown to love, rather than the dry 
rotting husk it had become when and where I last played.

logan wrote:
> assumptions.  yes, it is possible to witness a blow that has sufficient
> force.  that blow, and the only blow we can judge without feeling it hit
us,
> would be a face thrust thrown with so much force that it would be nearly
> impossible to imagine why the person being hits body reacted the way it
did.
> the much fabled thrust that "took me off my feet".  ive never seen it, but
> it is possible.  in my nearly two decades in the sca with an incredible
> focus on our combat sport i always shrug when someone says things like "i
> have seen far too many..." which implies that you believe that you have
seen
> many fighters blow off shots that they felt were good many times. this is
> disheartening.  i cant think of the last time i saw someone get hit with a
> blow and continue fighting and i thought "wow he is cheating".  i have
> wondered how on earth "that last blow" wasnt enough but i dont have any of
> the required information that the fighter has, which is how much force
> transferred from the strike.  i caution people not to get into a mindset
> that suggests our eyes are magically calibrated to be able to judge the
> force of something that didnt strike us.  calling another man a liar and a
> cheat is a burden far too heavy for me personally unless i know, without a
> doubt, that he is.  i simply cant do that watching a fight.
>
> regards
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it
was
> hell." 
> Harry S Truman 
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
> For your amouring needs please visit:
> www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
>
> www.ebonwoulfe.com
>
> For worldwide listings of fighter practices please visit:
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Medwyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:15 AM
> To: 'Merry Rose'
> Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
>
> The problem arises when you have an armored fighter acting to the other 
> extreme. I have seen far too many refuse to acknowledge a blow that was 
> obviously sufficient and dismiss it as "light".
>
> Of course, I will admit that this all occurred in my previous kingdom of 
> residence, and some years ago, at that. I cannot say that I have 
> witnessed this in Atlantia in the time I have been here :)
>
> logan wrote:
>   
>> thankfully the days of clean and light are mostly long gone.  light is
>>     
> light
>   
>> no matter how clean it is.  unfortunately people got guilted into calling
>> shots that were wrist flicks or thrown with super skinny or super short
>> rattan.  some people still try to game the system but its not nearly as
>>     
> bad
>   
>> as it was 10 or so years ago.  its even popped up here in atlantia once
or
>> twice, but we know better.  ;^)
>>
>> regards
>> logan
>>
>> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it
>>     
> was
>   
>> hell." 
>> Harry S Truman 
>> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
>> vengeance need not be feared"
>> Niccolo Machiavelli
>> For your amouring needs please visit:
>> www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
>>
>> www.ebonwoulfe.com
>>
>> For worldwide listings of fighter practices please visit:
>> www.fighterpractice.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of David W.
>> James
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:37 PM
>> To: Merry Rose
>> Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
>>
>> On 2009 Sep 29, at 9:51 PM, Hrothgar wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Now, when I was teaching, I would take a light blow if it was  
>>> delivered cleanly, but at the same time I would tell the person I  
>>> was training that the blow force was insufficient. After the initial  
>>> training is ending and the individual is ready to authorize, then we  
>>> fight full on..
>>>     
>>>       
>>     Interestingly enough, this 'old' peaceful Icelandic shipper, trader  
>> and bodyguard (it was a slow year) was taught that any blow that was  
>> delivered properly and landed cleanly was good.  Blow force was the  
>> least important factor, when it was a factor at all.
>>
>>     But that was long ago and far away.
>>
>> Kwellend-Njal
>> --
>>     skadvaldurskjaldarmerkjafraedingur "heraldist's nuisance"
>>     
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