[MR] clean and light

[logan]

assumptions.  yes, it is possible to witness a blow that has sufficient
force.  that blow, and the only blow we can judge without feeling it hit us,
would be a face thrust thrown with so much force that it would be nearly
impossible to imagine why the person being hits body reacted the way it did.
the much fabled thrust that "took me off my feet".  ive never seen it, but
it is possible.  in my nearly two decades in the sca with an incredible
focus on our combat sport i always shrug when someone says things like "i
have seen far too many..." which implies that you believe that you have seen
many fighters blow off shots that they felt were good many times. this is
disheartening.  i cant think of the last time i saw someone get hit with a
blow and continue fighting and i thought "wow he is cheating".  i have
wondered how on earth "that last blow" wasnt enough but i dont have any of
the required information that the fighter has, which is how much force
transferred from the strike.  i caution people not to get into a mindset
that suggests our eyes are magically calibrated to be able to judge the
force of something that didnt strike us.  calling another man a liar and a
cheat is a burden far too heavy for me personally unless i know, without a
doubt, that he is.  i simply cant do that watching a fight.

regards
logan

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hell." 
Harry S Truman 
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vengeance need not be feared"
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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Medwyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:15 AM
To: 'Merry Rose'
Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms

The problem arises when you have an armored fighter acting to the other 
extreme. I have seen far too many refuse to acknowledge a blow that was 
obviously sufficient and dismiss it as "light".

Of course, I will admit that this all occurred in my previous kingdom of 
residence, and some years ago, at that. I cannot say that I have 
witnessed this in Atlantia in the time I have been here :)

logan wrote:
> thankfully the days of clean and light are mostly long gone.  light is
light
> no matter how clean it is.  unfortunately people got guilted into calling
> shots that were wrist flicks or thrown with super skinny or super short
> rattan.  some people still try to game the system but its not nearly as
bad
> as it was 10 or so years ago.  its even popped up here in atlantia once or
> twice, but we know better.  ;^)
>
> regards
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it
was
> hell." 
> Harry S Truman 
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
> For your amouring needs please visit:
> www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
>
> www.ebonwoulfe.com
>
> For worldwide listings of fighter practices please visit:
> www.fighterpractice.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of David W.
> James
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:37 PM
> To: Merry Rose
> Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
>
> On 2009 Sep 29, at 9:51 PM, Hrothgar wrote:
>   
>> Now, when I was teaching, I would take a light blow if it was  
>> delivered cleanly, but at the same time I would tell the person I  
>> was training that the blow force was insufficient. After the initial  
>> training is ending and the individual is ready to authorize, then we  
>> fight full on..
>>     
>
>
>     Interestingly enough, this 'old' peaceful Icelandic shipper, trader  
> and bodyguard (it was a slow year) was taught that any blow that was  
> delivered properly and landed cleanly was good.  Blow force was the  
> least important factor, when it was a factor at all.
>
>     But that was long ago and far away.
>
> Kwellend-Njal
> --
>     skadvaldurskjaldarmerkjafraedingur "heraldist's nuisance"