[MR] defining terms

Becky McEllistrem bmcellis at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 29 18:23:00 PDT 2009 

These are rhetorical questions I don't want answers to.

These are questions I want all fighters to think about.  Really don't answer this because it's a debate that goes on forever.  Especially since most can guess my answer.

If a duke and a new fighter are having a disagreement about whether a blow is solid or not, should the duke allow it to be a killing blow even if that's not the way it is in Crown Tourney?

Are we requiring too hard a hit?  

If a more experienced fighter is winning in a tourney with a new fighter because of such a great experience and willingly accepts the loss of a leg (as an example) so as to make the fight more "even" (for lack of a better word) - is that fun to watch?

Are we so obsessed about winning that we can't do things like that any more?

And when we (and by we I mean others not Logan) can call each other lazy in the middle of a disagreement because we choose to manage a competition differently than what they would like us to do, then no.  I have to say we're not using our conscience.  However it doesn't surprise me to be called lazy in the middle of a disagreement.  Recent private disagreements from peers have been much uglier and nastier than that.  This is why I say we as a group don't use our conscience very much any more.

Rebecca

--- On Tue, 9/29/09, logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:

> From: logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:18 PM
> actually the confusion is from not
> hearing/reading examples and only getting
> answers like yours.  my conscience, like most peoples
> im sure, is very
> actively involved when i am witnessing other peoples
> actions and behaviors.
> what i was asking was for you, if you could, provide an
> example of some
> behavior or action that moved you on the field.  can
> you give an example of
> an action that is fair and reasonable from a fighter, in
> your opinion?
> 
> logan
> 
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and
> they thought it was
> hell." 
> Harry S Truman 
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so
> severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
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> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> On Behalf Of Becky
> McEllistrem
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:30 PM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
> 
> I actually have a hard time putting things like that into
> words.   It's a
> dependence on my conscience.
> 
> When forced with a choice of actions, I shoot for that
> action that is the
> most fair and reasonable. I'm not always right but that's
> what I shoot for.
> 
> And in response to someone else other than logan who posted
> elsewhere that I
> must be lazy because I'm not creating a checklist - am I
> lazy or are you
> bullying?
> 
> I think the confusion from Logan and others is
> genuine.  I think it's a sign
> that we haven't been using our conscience as much as we
> should be as
> individuals and as groups.
> 
> Rebecca
> 
> --- On Mon, 9/28/09, logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:45 AM
> > perhaps you can give some examples of
> > this gut feeling?  when you were asked
> > to judge the actions of fighters and proclaim one as
> more
> > courteous than the
> > rest what did you see that made you feel that way?
> > 
> > regards
> > logan
> > 
> > "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth,
> and
> > they thought it was
> > hell." 
> > Harry S Truman 
> > "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so
> > severe that his
> > vengeance need not be feared"
> > Niccolo Machiavelli
> > For your amouring needs please visit:
> > www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> > 
> > www.ebonwoulfe.com
> > 
> > For worldwide listings of fighter practices please
> visit:
> > www.fighterpractice.com
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Becky
> > McEllistrem
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:24 AM
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
> > 
> > I've been thinking hard about this.  I actually
> don't
> > have a checklist since
> > I go with my gut feelings about what is the most
> > courteous.  I'm thinking
> > there shouldn't be a checklist on this.  Let others
> > teach you how to be more
> > courteous than yourself.  If you win great.  If
> > you don't you learned
> > something new.  Not winning is not the end of the
> > world.  Courtesy was still
> > encouraged and that is the most important point.
> > 
> > Rebecca
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 9/27/09, logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] defining terms
> > > To: "'charles morrow'" <cosimoofvenice at yahoo.com>,
> > atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:27 PM
> > > just logan, sir logan, or duke
> > > logan.  no title stacking please.
> > > 
> > > i never said its never happened ever, i simply
> said
> > ive
> > > never seen it
> > > happen. also, ive never once seen a "most
> courteous"
> > prize,
> > > only "most
> > > chivalrous" and that was the base of my question.
> 
> > > 
> > > regards
> > > logan
> > > 
> > > "I never did give them hell. I just told the
> truth,
> > and
> > > they thought it was
> > > hell." 
> > > Harry S Truman 
> > > "If an injury has to be done to a man it should
> be so
> > > severe that his
> > > vengeance need not be feared"
> > > Niccolo Machiavelli
> > > For your amouring needs please visit:
> > > www.ebonwoulfe.com/armory.htm
> > > 
> > > www.ebonwoulfe.com
> > > 
> > > For worldwide listings of fighter practices
> please
> > visit:
> > > www.fighterpractice.com
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > > [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of charles
> > > morrow
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:46 PM
> > > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Subject: [MR] defining terms
> > > 
> > > Duke Sir Logan,
> > > Actually winning the tournament and getting "the
> most
> > > courtious" has been
> > > done in this kingdom.
> > > Cosimo
> > > 
> > > 
> > >       
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