[MR] Knights Templer question

[Smith CTR Jeffrey C]

Hi there,

Where would you go that the SCA is not at already?  Europe?  Israel?  We've got folks all over the place...and you probably won't be the first one to ask the questions.  If you're referring to the shield that was argent, a chief sable, I have seen it in other places besides that show.  

I am not an expert on Templar Heraldry, but I don't know of ANY religious order of knighthood that allowed folks to use their personal devices, altho' (as has been already pointed out) certain officers in the orders would have peculiar heraldry for their offices (I am more familiar with this for the Teutonic Knights, where the Grand Master and his senior lieutenants had special devices).

Barcsi Janos 

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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:12
To: Duane Moore; atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Knights Templer question


 The URL is the device that is being shown in shields in the dramatizations which had made me wonder... but I can see the other side of argument..if family will be giving the sons and fortunes to the order would they not of wanted to *brag* somehow by having family devices seen? This brings up another question..when shield is displayed on the sarcophagus (think there's another name) was the device shown there or somewhere else on stone effigy? I think I need a trip overseas lol but I'd drive tour guides nuts (hmmm there's a battles scadian vrs tour guide ).....
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Duane Moore <poetamilitarus at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Duane Moore <poetamilitarus at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] Knights Templer question
> To: "M'lady Foxy" <angellfoxx at yahoo.com>, atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:02 AM Hello there. The answer is 
> neither, sorta. Personal devices were not used once someone joined the 
> order. (Though high ranking templar officials did have personal seals, 
> and there was a small amount of precribsed heraldry for certain post 
> commands like Marshall, etc.)
> 
>  While the templars were early forrunners of military 'uniformity' in 
> dress, there is some disagreement amoungst scholars as to what 
> herladry they used on thier shields.
> Most evidence points to a stylized use of the Beusent on thier shield 
> rather than the white background with the red cross that hollywood so 
> often shows:
> 
> http://www.theknightshop.co.uk/catalog/images/801570.jpg
> 
>  There is some research indicating that order robes and military gear 
> were possibly regionalized by proto-nationality. In other words, the 
> Templars in France might be wearing slightly different habit from the 
> templars in Spain.
> 
> Regards,
> Sir Bryce de Byram,OL,OP (Duane M. Moore) 300%Peer-Evil Baron Caer 
> Mear
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, M'lady Foxy <angellfoxx at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: M'lady Foxy <angellfoxx at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [MR] Knights Templer question
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 8:47 AM
> >  Was watching something on history
> > channel and made me think.... when the Templar's went
> into
> > battle did they have templar device(large red cross or
> other
> > symbol) on their shields or personal devices(family)?
> > 
> > 
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