[MR] Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
Laurence Lagnese
ljlagnese at gmail.com
Thu Sep 17 09:18:50 PDT 2009
Anytime a discussion lights up this board I am pretty sure it offends
half of the members.
And also half the new members
Their is a delete key I use it often
On 9/17/09, David Austin <grandaustino at gmail.com> wrote:
> If I might make a humble suggestion, I think it would be advisable to
> continue this discussion elsewhere. I am a person that believes that
> the taking of a human life is at best a very regrettable necessity,
> even if they are a theif. If I were new to the SCA and had joined
> this list I think I would have strong second thoughts about it. I
> know it is not the intent but it is easy for us to come off as a group
> of people waiting for someone to break into our basements, so we can
> practice the arts of combat that we study on them. I think that is
> doing us all a disservice. I am not judging anyone based on their
> opinions on this issue, I'm just not sure this is the venue for a
> discussion that can bring up very strong feelings in members, and
> potential members.
>
> Thank you,
> Morgant
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM,
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>> 1. Re: Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone (Steven Chang)
>> 2. Re: Kill Bill Sword Guy (Wayne Remes)
>> 3. Turkish presentations in DC (Elaine Koogler)
>> 4. Re: Kill Bill Sword Guy (Steven Chang)
>> 5. Re: Kill Bill Sword Guy (Patrick O'Keefe)
>> 6. Re: Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone (Lord Brychan)
>> 7. Re: Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone (Steven Chang)
>> 8. Re: Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone (logan)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:16:45 -0400
>> From: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> To: Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
>> Message-ID:
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>> Good cause I don't own a gun, but I practice with a bow in my basement
>> a lot. So if a burgler breaks in, he would probably get an arrow
>> somewhere. I'm probably not going to hit him over the head with my
>> bow. It is quite expensive.
>>
>> On 9/17/09, Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI
>>> Last session the MD House of Reps voted unanimously in favor of a Castle
>>> Doctrine type law that would not allow a criminal or their family to sue
>>> for damages if they were injured or killed while committing a crime. A
>>> chair person for the State Senate committee (Frosh from Mont. County)
>>> would not bring the bill up for a vote in the Senate. Thus stopping this
>>> type of lawsuit.
>>>
>>> Lord Brychan
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:17:14 -0400
>> From: "Wayne Remes" <wremes at carolina.rr.com>
>> To: "The Merry Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Kill Bill Sword Guy
>> Message-ID: <0CB2F484DC224C848CEA09CEAC1E74B7 at AxelPC>
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>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Only 2 cuts on him..hand and neck....that's really doable with one
>> cut...if
>> the burgler raised his hands to ward off the strike.
>>
>> Axel
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer at infionline.net>
>> To: "The Merry Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Kill Bill Sword Guy
>>
>>
>>> At 05:11 PM 9/16/2009 -0500, SARA wrote:
>>>>can we get the original story?
>>>
>>> Here it is, courtesy of Kunigunde earlier in this thread.
>>> >Here's the article from the Baltimore Sun:
>>> >*http://tinyurl.com/o8ptcd*
>>> Please notice the part that says: "Pontolillo [. . .]
>>> struck the intruder no more than twice, police say".
>>> As I attempted to post earlier:
>>> "Swords don't kill people; people kill people" . . .
>>> especially burglar-type people!
>>> -- YIS,
>>> --Britton
>>>
>>> end
>>>
>>> - - Roy B. Scherer
>>> [8 N. Sheppard Street, Richmond, VA 23221; (804) 355-7612]
>>> ============================================================
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>>> at a tank when the tank knows where you are."
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:53:16 -0400
>> From: Elaine Koogler <kiridono at gmail.com>
>> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: [MR] Turkish presentations in DC
>> Message-ID:
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>> Some of you may receive this twice...if so I apologize.
>>
>> Dame Hauviette d'Anjou (a cooking Laurel from the Midrealm who has helped
>> me
>> each year with Dun Carraig's A Day in the Middle East) will be conducting
>> a
>> lecture/demo with a meal at the Sur la Table store in Pentagon City. She
>> is
>> a wonderful teacher and has received recognition of her work both from
>> sources within the US and from the Turkish Cultural Institute. Her
>> ecookbook has received the Silver Medal in the ethnic cookbooks group from
>> Living Now Cookbooks.
>>
>> I am attaching a copy of the flyer with information about the event, along
>> with ticket information. She will also be selling her ecookbook,
>> "Celebration at the Sarayi" along with an extra recipe and a sample of one
>> of the spices from the book.
>>
>> There are a few places remaining at this event. Please go to
>> www.turkishrestaurantweekdc.org to purchase tickets.
>>
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:26:19 -0400
>> From: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> To: Wayne Remes <wremes at carolina.rr.com>
>> Cc: The Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Kill Bill Sword Guy
>> Message-ID:
>> <8d350a0a0909170626t4d91b2cel39fbda38596ed27e at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Yeah, earlier reports said Multiple lacerations to the chest. The
>> newer reports are now saying he cut the and and a spear laceration
>> (thrust?) to the chest. The experts speculate that the student
>> probably was into martial arts but not an expert swordsman.
>>
>> http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-sword-killing0917,0,16472.story
>>
>> On 9/17/09, Wayne Remes <wremes at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Only 2 cuts on him..hand and neck....that's really doable with one
>>> cut...if
>>> the burgler raised his hands to ward off the strike.
>>>
>>> Axel
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:35:45 -0500
>> From: "Patrick O'Keefe" <cpokeefe at gmail.com>
>> To: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: The Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Kill Bill Sword Guy
>> Message-ID:
>> <6a1b63d90909170635y3dc44127uc90216ca41b8f981 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> "
>> Pontolillo was not inside the garage but backed up against the exterior of
>> a
>> garage door when Rice is alleged to have aggressively moved toward him
>> with
>> his arms raised. Guglielmi said Pontolillo made one downward strike
>> towards
>> Rice, hitting him in the neck and the hand. Rice's hand was nearly
>> severed,
>> and he bled to death at the scene.
>> "
>>
>> backed up against a door, one strike kill. Maybe not expert swordsman,
>> but
>> did ok.
>>
>> Bjorn
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, earlier reports said Multiple lacerations to the chest. The
>>> newer reports are now saying he cut the and and a spear laceration
>>> (thrust?) to the chest. The experts speculate that the student
>>> probably was into martial arts but not an expert swordsman.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-sword-killing0917,0,16472.story
>>>
>>> On 9/17/09, Wayne Remes <wremes at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>> > Only 2 cuts on him..hand and neck....that's really doable with one
>>> cut...if
>>> > the burgler raised his hands to ward off the strike.
>>> >
>>> > Axel
>>> >
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:51:09 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com>
>> To: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
>> Message-ID: <258192.91416.qm at web111509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> Not really good, because of?one?senator the bill did not get voted on in
>> the senate, so?you don't have the protection from the criminal or their
>> family suing if you use your bow, or they get hurt while robbing you.
>>
>> Lord Brychan
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> To: Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:16:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
>>
>> Good cause I don't own a gun, but I practice with a bow in my basement
>> a lot. So if a burgler breaks in, he would probably get an arrow
>> somewhere. I'm probably not going to hit him over the head with my
>> bow. It is quite expensive.
>>
>> On 9/17/09, Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI
>>> Last session the MD House of Reps voted unanimously in favor of a Castle
>>> Doctrine type law that would not allow a criminal or their family to sue
>>> for damages if they were injured or killed while committing a crime. A
>>> chair person for the State Senate committee (Frosh from Mont. County)
>>> would not bring the bill up for a vote in the Senate. Thus stopping this
>>> type of lawsuit.
>>>
>>> Lord Brychan
>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:08:35 -0400
>> From: Steven Chang <moondragn at gmail.com>
>> To: Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
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>> Ahh misread that. Dang it... What if I just used my hands?
>>
>> On 9/17/09, Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Not really good, because of one senator the bill did not get voted on in
>>> the senate, so you don't have the protection from the criminal or their
>>> family suing if you use your bow, or they get hurt while robbing you.
>>>
>>> Lord Brychan
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:25:26 -0400
>> From: "logan" <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
>> Message-ID: <009301ca37ab$162d4000$4287c000$@com>
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>> killing a man with your hands takes a lot more intent than simply shooting
>> him. the former is terribly difficult to do while the later takes only a
>> split second reaction (fear, grab gun, point, pull trigger, bullet does
>> the
>> work). convincing a jury is the key to keeping you out of trouble. that
>> one senator should get his head kicked in during a home invasion, that
>> might
>> make him wise up and allow people to defend themselves without fear in my
>> opinion.
>>
>> anyway, how about those sexy basket hilts and lamellar plates i saw on
>> that
>> website yesterday!!!
>>
>> regards
>> logan
>>
>> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it
>> was
>> hell."
>> Harry S Truman
>> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
>> vengeance need not be feared"
>> Niccolo Machiavelli
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Steven
>> Chang
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:09 AM
>> To: Lord Brychan
>> Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fw: Rattan vs steel - or vs flesh and bone
>>
>> Ahh misread that. Dang it... What if I just used my hands?
>>
>> On 9/17/09, Lord Brychan <brychanapdafydd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Not really good, because of one senator the bill did not get voted on in
>> the senate, so you don't have the protection from the criminal or their
>> family suing if you use your bow, or they get hurt while robbing you.
>>>
>>> Lord Brychan
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