[MR] WoW points

[Rozsa]

I think you explained it dead on Larry.  I think what people are picking up 
on a brief review of how the points broke down is that Black Diamond walked 
all over Sacred Stone in many of the areas that required skill, however 
Sacred Stone was able to take the day because they were able to pick up many 
of the points that were based on how many people they could get to show up.

However, while I don't recall the numbers that Gise posted, I don't know 
that the '200 fighters' included all the cavalry, combat archers, siege 
engineers, youth combatants, archers & thrown weapons (who don't sign in 
with an MoL), and of course artisans who competed in the war.  So if you 
take those numbers into account I think you will find that a much larger 
portion of the attendees were able to participate in the war than may be 
perceived at first glance.

Non-fighter war points is always a delicate area to try to balance out when 
it comes to determining war points.  As has been pointed out you don't want 
the points to be a 'popularity' competition but to be an actual competition. 
It is something that WoW has been struggling with from day 1.  For example 
the first year we had a full out A&S competition.  Even with strict rules 
regarding documentation and how old a project could be - we had so many 
entries that the judges were there all day - I think their brains were mush 
by the end of it - and the tallying of points took so long that court was 
held up waiting for them to finish.  So we adjusted it the next year to the 
number of projects, within a certain time frame, with documentation.  Back 
to 'who can bring more' but we were trying to figure out how to best balance 
out our volunteer's time, the pace of the event, and fairness to the 
competitors.

If people have suggestions on a good way to make it fair all the way around 
I have no doubt that Lady Murienne would be thrilled with any suggestions. 
But to include 'non-competitors' in a competition is difficult.  If you 
truly want to compete and 'fight' for your side - please learn a martial art 
(there is tons to do outside of just heavy fighting!) or pay special 
attention to the artisan competitions and compete in those arenas.

Rozsa
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Lagnese" <ljlagnese at gmail.com>
To: "Denise Keppel" <dkeppel at yahoo.com>
Cc: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] WoW points


>I think you missed the point most of the people were trying to make.  They
> are all for having points that are non-fighting, just not points based on
> attendance.  I believe more than one person said have a contest based on
> quality of the art sci project not the quantity of the art sci project.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Denise Keppel <dkeppel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> May I please offer the viewpoint of a nonfighter about WoW?  I think I
>> heard at one point that of the 900+ people who attended this weekend, 
>> about
>> 200 were fighters.  By offering these points it was possible for the
>> majority of those attending to have an impact on the outcome.  In fact, I
>> will be as bold as to state that it's slightly unfair for a contest to be
>> carried solely on the backs of those fighting.  Being in the SCA is a
>> multifaceted existence.  Not all of us can represent our group in 
>> physical
>> battle, but we can take time to help out in other ways.  Allowing for non
>> combat points allowed the rest of us to take part in the war.
>>
>> On the other hand, if one is wanting to be absolutely fair to the other
>> team, maybe it's time to agree to have equal numbers in battle with a 
>> system
>> that rewards the first to sign up?
>>
>>
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