[MR] WoW points

Tue Oct 13 13:45:11 PDT 2009

wow is not at all like gulf wars or pennsic.  those events are 7 and 13
times the size in attendance and are held over 1.5 and 2 weeks respectively.
also, neither one is held in one of the principal kingdoms but rather in a
different location.  traveling more than 5 hours to wow is hard for most
folks to spend a day at an event, so there is a lot fewer folks coming from
outside the local area than from within.  also, both of these events have
attendants from all 14 kingdoms as well as several groups outside of the
sca.  now if the event was more than a weekend long you might see more
people willing to drive down from maryland for it but the fact remains that
its not and it is much easier for those that live in sacred stone to attend
than those that live in the less populated and much further away barony of
black diamond.  hence my concern about war points given simply based on who
all comes to the event from which location.

and i dont know what youve heard from people about how points are being
doled out.  doesnt mean i havent heard from some that simply raised
questions of equity of such a system.  i dont know, maybe a lot more people
talk to me about the events and their thoughts. or perhaps the subjects are
simply different ....

logan

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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of David
Ritterskamp
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:46 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] WoW points

Unless I'm badly mistaken, the scoring system in place at WOW is no
different from that used at Gulf Wars or Pennsic.  I've heard the same
complaints from people at those events.  Amazingly enough, they continue to
show up.  

As long as the event continues to be fun, people will show up.  That's why
Crusades eventually fell by the wayside... it stopped being fun.  For a
variety of reasons.  If it starts up again, and it's fun, who knows?  Maybe
I'll make that ten hour drive I made for years to support a kingdom event.

In all the years I've made Gulf Wars, and Crusades, and WOW, and etc., I
have yet to hear one person say they weren't coming back because they didn't
like the way the points were added up.  If they did say that, I suspect it
would end up having to do with the fact that they didn't have fun at that
particular war, and they're looking for a scapegoat.

BTW, Willie... I wasn't directly involved in this year's war at all, so I
don't take any credit for this year's success.  I'm quite aware that it took
just less than a thousand people showing up to make this year what it was.
To me, having points added up in this sort of situation is like a track
meet... I might win the 100 meter dash and you might win the 440 hurdles,
and my guys might win the 4 x 400 meter relay, and etc, and the points at
the end just tell who won the most events over all.  They don't change the
fact that you won the 440 hurdles.  Same thing here... everybody who cares
knows who won the heavy fighting.  Everybody who cares knows who won the
fencing.  Everybody who cares knows who won the A&S.  et cetera.  Since I
wasn't involved in the fencing, for instance, whether they won or lost
doesn't change whether I personally had fun.  Being told at the end of the
day that my side finished with more points doesn't change the fact that we
got skunked on the heavy field.  But really, neither of those changed
whether I had fun or not.

Regards

Jonathan Blackbow

There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct,
or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction
of a new order of things. -Niccolo M.

> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:59:42 -0700
> From: johnnyt71 at yahoo.com
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] WoW points
> 
> Jonathan I don't think you speak for your barony in this matter, but the
simple truth is we do vote with our feet. With talk of Crusades starting
back up again and with that type of attitude I believe many folks will
decide to do just that very thing. 
>  
> Please do not think it is your efforts alone that brought over 900 people
to this event. Many folks traveled 8 or 10 hours to get there to lend their
support. And when concerns are raised telling them simply "anybody who
doesn't like the scoring system that they start and run their own war." Is
not a way to inspire folks to continue to support YOUR BARONYS event.
>  
> Jon before you respond next time type the email and wait. send it to
people that care about you to read it and wait. after a week or so if you
still feel passionate about it then think about sending it.
>  Sir William 
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, David Ritterskamp <jonnyb70 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: David Ritterskamp <jonnyb70 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] WoW points
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 1:47 PM
> 
> 
> 
> The only way I know what the "score" was and therefore who "won" War of
the Wings, or Gulf Wars, or Pennsic, is by reading about it long afterward.

> 
> 
> 
> Everybody knows who won the heavy fighting.  Everybody knows who won the
rapier.  Everybody knows who won the A&S.  Everybody knows who won the other
points.  In short, everybody knows who won the part of the war that mattered
the most to them.
> 
> 
> 
> I have yet to see anybody going home crying that they're not coming back
because the points weren't fair.  Everybody I saw going home was raving
about what a blast they had.
> 
> 
> 
> Frankly, I would suggest to anybody who doesn't like the scoring system
that they start and run their own war.  Who knows?  Maybe one day they'll
break a thousand attendees.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Blackbow
> 
> There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct,
or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction
of a new order of things. -Niccolo M.
> 
> 
> 
> > From: thefarseeing at bellsouth.net
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:00:45 -0400
> > Subject: [MR] WoW points
> > 
> > I must say that I'm in agreement with His Grace Logan concerning some of
the war points awarded at WoW. I was thinking this as I read over Lady
Gisela's report before I ever got to Duke Logan's missive. I had the
pleasure of serving the barons of Black Diamond for many years during which
time I had a very close relationship with Sacred Stone. I have had the
pleasure of serving the barons of Sacred Stone for nearly four years now. I
tell this to establish that I love both baronies dearly but my loyalty now
belongs to Sacred Stone. Still, I feel that awarding war points for
attendance, volunteering, and class attendance seems unfair when the war is
always held in the lands of Sacred Stone and the hosting barony is much
larger. I'm sure the intention was to give everyone a chance to participate
in the war, but these war points just don't seem right to me It is the
responsibility of the hosting barony to create as even a playing field as
possible. Just
> something to consid
> > er for the next War of the Wings. In service, Averey the Far Seeing
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