[MR] My two doubloons on the dead horse....

[M'lady Foxy]

I personally like wearing my pentagram around Christmas.. at least one or 2 wish me a happy Hanuka... 

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Jack Black of Flint <qm_blackjack_flint at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jack Black of Flint <qm_blackjack_flint at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] My two doubloons on the dead horse....
> To: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 7:28 AM
> Achbar brings up a very valid point,
> that I think I might have seen glossed over a couple of
> times during this ridiculous farce.
> 
> We are supposed to be an educational organization. 
> One of our biggest tools is our ability to walk up to people
> and say "Hi, I'm so and so, let me tell you about this."
> 
> As I believe Marie Helene stated, the chances of someone
> strictly having one specific symbol that could have
> religious complications are slim. ((Besides Templar
> personas, which are the only one that immediately comes to
> mind to have simply one symbol on their shields and
> tabards.))
> 
> I can see why people are concerned about both sides of this
> horse that should have been sent to the knackers some time
> ago, though, and folks within our own organization are
> proving it.
> 
> Yes, people are sheep.  However, the individual person
> is more intelligent than many would give credit for. 
> It's not until mob mentality comes in, that serious problems
> arise.  If one is truly concerned about using the
> symbol, don't use it.... No one can honestly believe that
> just because the College has removed the ban, that everyone
> is going to immediately don that symbol and start running
> around, pushing their personal beliefs on others, as so many
> here seem to be saying.  Yes, I believe that there are
> folks who are going to submit devices with the symbol on it,
> but again, who cares?  If they can prove the symbol was
> used in period, so be it, no matter what combination of
> other symbols around it are used.
> 
> Yes, to the general populace, perception is 90%
> reality.  But the best way to influence that perception
> is to not make a big deal out of a particular device at a
> demo/event, because if the public sees US reacting
> negatively to EACH OTHER, what hope do we have to get folks
> to join us, and learn for themselves the history behind
> things?
> 
> As another gentle pointed out, as a new member to the SCA,
> just from reading this list alone, they have begun to
> rethink their position on the SCA.  I have seen new
> folks pushed away from this organization for lesser things,
> than what someone may be displaying as a PERSONAL
> DEVICE.  Just because a symbol they have chosen may
> have one meaning, it may have a totally DIFFERENT meaning to
> the individual.  You may see one symbol that you belive
> represents (insert name of religion you choose to bash
> here), and they may see something that TO THEM symbolizes
> the unity of heart, mind, body, and soul.
> 
> All I am asking folks to do is to take a minute, count to
> ten, and think like the rational, educated adults we all
> are, instead of the lemmings we are all acting like, jumping
> up and down, unhappy because they don't like the decision.
> 
> Take the effort, do the research if it bothers you, and
> take the proper steps to get it removed, if you feel that is
> what you need to do.  But ranting and raving on a
> relatively public list, or possibly creating scenes at
> demos/events is not going to help anyone, or anything. 
> Just like at work, it's us and them.  Whether it be
> Managers and line staff, or SCAdians and mundanes.  If
> we don't work together, we all fail, and after 43 years,
> this dream we all love will come to an end.
> 
> And in the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "That's all I
> have to say about that"
> 
>  Until the next,
> Yours in service,
> 
> 
> Cap'n Jack Black of Flint
> ((AKA: BlackJack))
> Lord and Master of "The Raptor"
> Seneschal, Barony of Hidden Mountain 
> Brute for Hire
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Achbar Ibn Ali <achbar at earthlink.net>
> To: Roy B. Scherer <rscherer at infionline.net>
> Cc: The Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:00:26 AM
> Subject: [MR] it's perception...not just the facts... See?!
> This is what am talking about
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:52:57 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>    This is a fun dead Horse to kick, and I
> see the party continues.
> The humor degenerates and I salute it.  I can't wait
> until this
> conversation turns to Kingdom recruitment and how each and
> every one
> of us should do what we can to get new members to join this
> game.
> Next, we will be talking about period Clowns and
> Jesters!   That clown
> at least can tie his own balloon dead Horse to kick 
> LOL    ( smile)
> 
> 
> Achbar
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