[MR] pentagrams in devices

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I find the dismissive attitude towards history in your post just as disturbing as the dismissive attitude of Pagan religion in the othe post. Has anyone found the use of a pentangle or a pentagram in heraldry or are the examples of the symbol Christian church or peasant superstition related? I ask would the use of these symbols be a nod to history or ones modern life? Can we not leave the modern world behind for just a few hours? I ask where is the courtesy in dismissing or guideline of pre 17th century while participating in the SCA? James ---------- Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email


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To: willets at bellatlantic.net
Cc: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] pentagrams in devices

 The tone of this post was very dismissive. Discussion is a good thing, disrespect is not.

Quite a few folks on this list and in this organization identify as pagans. It is a recognized religious classification in the US. One of the facts that convinced Wreath to allow the change was the recent acceptance by the US Govt of the pagan symbols for headstones for fallen soldiers, sailors and marines who practice pagan beliefs.

I think we will all accept that our devices are more to us then strictly historical display. We are not pure historical re-enactment.

We are an organization of courtesy and respect. Please, can we keep the tone of posts respectful?

Gisela vom Kreuzbach







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From: Vernon And Susan Willet <willets at bellatlantic.net>
To: Dave Montuori <damont at wolfstar.com>; nodecaf at nodecaf.com
Cc: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [MR] pentagrams in devices









Just a comment here, on this pagan nonsense.  Being a pagan in medieval
Europe was a very dicy proposition.  Best bet scenario entailed secret
meetings of like minded individuals, furitive flitting about in the woods.
Worst case brought the unwelcome attention of the Inquisition, with its
attendant hotfoot.  Pagan displays are grotesquely out of period, anyway.
Pagans date from 1890 or so; Aliester Crowley and the Golden Dawn.  Totally
fabricated (See Crowleys "True Book of Lies".  There is no authentic
history, otherwise, since Caesar slaughtered the Druids on the Isle of Man
and they left no records.  Might as well add flourishes and curling banners
to your hearaldry, if you are going to allow pentograms.  They are both
victorian romance.  More history might quell some of the fantasy.  Just my 2
pence.?
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>> As a real practicing Pagan, I will say that it is with a sigh of relief?

>> that here in the SCA some have finally begun to see past religious?

>> prejudices.?

>?

> As one who has been a member of the College of Arms through the last?

> *three* times this issue came up, let me point out that it is *MUNDANE*?

> religious prejudices that needed to be overcome.?

>?

> The only reason the ban was upheld in the 1990s was that too many non-SCA?

> people in certain areas of the USA would have seen this as an?

> ANTI-religious symbol, which would have been horrid P.R. for the SCA which?

> already had a shaky reputation in some of those areas. In the past dozen?

> years quite a bit has changed, in this case for the better.?

>?

> Evan da Collaureo?

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