[MR] Teachers, shields and history

Alex Long kyrilex at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 23 21:19:18 PST 2009 

I've been there. I did what the teacher wanted to see & hear, got a
decent grade, and then at the end of the semester when I was out of
'grade-shot', brought up the point and explained that I disagreed with
the professor's opinion. I presented plenty of evidence to support my
point. Yes, I have a really good memory and the ability to wait
patiently for my 'revenge'.
-- Ceara ní Néill

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Lady Rhiannon of Berra <ladyrhi at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lady Rhiannon of Berra <ladyrhi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MR] Teachers, shields and history
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:39 PM

My advice, for what it's worth:

 would be to handle such a thing in private and give the teacher the
opportunity of finding a way to "save face" and correct themself.  The last
thing you want in high school or college is an instructor/teacher with a
chip on their shoulder about you.  You never know when you might need them
again.

I guess sometimes it's enough to to know the real truth than it is to be be
the righter of wrongs all the time.  The second one can leave you weary and
tired pretty quickly.

Rhi






On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Lord Mungoe <mungoe1 at msn.com> wrote:

> Going along on this vein,
>    My daughter Jessica is taking High school history. She was told that in
> the middle ages that persons in plate armor could not run, or even move,
> when in full plate. My darling daughter proceeded to tell this teacher whe
> was wrong, but he would not back down as he challenged her in class. THe
> outcome was that she used video of Pennsic (5 thousand people running in
> armor.) and a paper on the difference between plat and jousting armor of the
> late period.
>    Best way to handle teachers is to show them scolarly articles and papers
> rather then challenge them verbally. Might even get a better grade out of
> it.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: iamfillystarcrafter<mailto:iamfillystarcrafter at yahoo.com>
>  To: William Muirheid<mailto:mondor.winchester at gmail.com>
>  Cc: MerryRose<mailto:atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MR] Teachers, shields and history
>
>
>  Sounds like this teacher could use a good SCAdian intervention! Why not
> invite her to an upcoming SCA event and then leave her to talk to the
> heralds about what shields were REALLY used for!
>  She who would love to talk to this woman,
>  Amye Barrington
>  Remember you are unique! Just like everybody else!
>  Purpure an apothacary jar argent charged with a frog tergent vert
>
>  --- On Sun, 1/18/09, William Muirheid <mondor.winchester at gmail.com
> <mailto:mondor.winchester at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>  From: William Muirheid <mondor.winchester at gmail.com<mailto:
> mondor.winchester at gmail.com>>
>  Subject: Re: [MR] Teachers, shields and history
>  To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org<mailto:atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>  Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:41 PM
>
>  While the teacher is dead wrong please remember that she is the teacher
> and
>  the dispenser of all grades.  This may be one of those times when Lady
>  Magdalena LaRosa may have to grit her teeth and bear it.  The point the
>  instructor is trying to make is not well supported by her "history",
>  but the
>  point is still valid.  I found clashing with my instructors, and they will
>  see it as a clash and not a good faith effort to clarify the situation,
> may
>  have produced some short term feel good factor.  However the long term
> feel
>  bad factor, lower grade, usually outweighed the transient feeling of
>  triumph.
>
>  What is your Lady's goal, in this class and longer term?  If it is to
>  correct every ill conceived or harebrained concept she hears in college
> then
>  she should go toe to toe with the teacher, and she will have plenty of
>  opportunity to do this at any university or collage.  If it is to learn,
> and
>  to come away with a degree and a decent GPA, then that may not be the best
>  course of action.
>
>
>  William de Mont d'Or
>
>
>
>
>  >
>  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >
>  > Message: 1
>  > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:53:35 -0500
>  > From: "Vivian V. Morgan" <vivianvaz at lairhaven.com<mailto:
> vivianvaz at lairhaven.com>>
>  > Subject: [MR] Teachers, shields and history
>  > To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org<mailto:atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>>
>  > Message-ID: <001b01c978e5$aa6a58f0$ff3f0ad0$@com<mailto:001b01c978e5
> $aa6a58f0$ff3f0ad0$@com>>
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>  >
>  > Please bear with me as I vent a wee bit here, which will involve a
> longish
>  > quote.  My lovely Lady Magdalena LaRosa has returned to school (and
> doing
>  > well, I might add).  This semester, she is taking Public Speaking.  One
> of
>  > her first assignments, interestingly enough, is to create a personal
> coat
>  of
>  > arms to represent herself to the class.  Here's the fun part.  Below
>  is a
>  > quote directly from the assignment.  No lie.  Here goes:
>  >
>  >        "In ages past, every person possessed a Coat of Arms of one
>  kind or
>  > another.  One of the important points to understand about these shields
> is
>  > that they were never intended to give physical protection in battle.
>  Their
>  > purpose was not to turn away arrows or bullets or for people to hide
>  behind.
>  >  Usually they were too thin or fragile for this use."
>  >
>  > She goes on:
>  >        "On the shields were symbols representing clan signs of the
>  men who
>  > carried them.  These signs told who the man was, what he sought to be,
> and
>  > what his loves, fears, and dreams were.  Men carried these shields in
>  order
>  > that anyone they met might know them.  Even when they rested in their
>  > lodges, their shields were always kept outside where all could see them.
>  >  They might be hung up by the lodge door or the smoke hole, but they
> were
>  > always kept outside where people might see and learn from them."
>  >
>  > Feel free to respond directly to me or to the list if you want an open
>  > discussion.  I would love to hear questions, comments, or opinions.  She
>  > showed this to me several days ago and I've been having hives ever
>  since.  I
>  > have had no one yet to vent to except her and, patient as she is, I
>  don't
>  > want to wear her out on this.  I mean, isn't an important part of
>  public
>  > speaking to "check your facts?"  Can she really believe someone
>  would lug a
>  > big piece of wood into battle just to show people a picture?  I can't
>  > imagine why she would think anyone would carry something they couldn't
>  block
>  > or kill with.  Magdalena really wanted to oppose the teacher on this one
>  > but, as she had already disagreed with her vehemently on a previous
> point,
>  > she didn't want to push.  After all, it was the first class and she
>  doesn't
>  > know, yet, if she is dealing with a vindictive personality.
>  >
>  > Thank you for letting me share and thank you in advance for any
> commentary
>  > you may have.
>  >
>  > In Service,
>  >  Lady Yenega de Santurce
>  >  CaerMear, Atlantia
>  >
>  >
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