[MR] 4th Peerage

[Donald Wagner]

I am going to explain why I think it doesn't add anything.  Maybe then 
you and others who believe that the three current peerages are "the man" 
can find a different conspiracy to accuse us of.  Really, you can do 
better than this.

I do not believe there will be even one more person made eligible for 
peerage with the advent of a fourth peerage.  I believe the three polled 
peerage orders, as they stand, get almost every peer they should. 
Certainly, every person has at least one example of someone who should 
be a peer and aren't.  I certainly do.  Having a fourth peerage isn't 
going to fix the system, do it is a waste of time and a big change for, 
I believe, essentially nothing.  The current orders have to do better. 
That's it.

I shot Kennedy.

Falcone



loreleielkins at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Peerage has power.  To deny a group of people it because the activity
> they do doesn't fit with the current peerages is incorrect.
> 
> I think you've hit the heavy fighter on the head with this comment.?I agree.?It is exactly a question about "power" and little else.? Psychologically,?individuals in power are not willing to share that power, because it makes them less powerful.??It is not a matter of worthiness, it is a matter of "its mine and you can't have any...because I said so."?
> 
> What are you?afraid?of???There are deserving individuals?being left out when it comes to the highest recognition, because they choose to enrich the SCA experience in a less traditional form.?They are just as skilled in their art form, they spend just as much time, money and dedication to learn their discipline yet are not eligible for the same rewards.?The doors are closed to them. Just because something isn't fair, doesn't mean we can't endeavor to make it more so.?The addition of another peerage to include other combat forms, Archery, Siege, Rapier, etc would only?enhance the?SCA dream and make it fun for more people.
> 
> ?One of the universal truths is, that which does not change and grow, becomes stagnant. Just because it "hasn't been done that way in the past" doesn't mean it shouldn't be.? Grow, change, learn, adapt, otherwise stagnate. 
> 
> After reading some of the comments on this list about "worthiness", I think one or two of you have been hit in the head one too many times.? Developing your non-combat sensibilities would be a worthwhile effort.
> 
> Lady Lorelei
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan MacNeill <gormofberra at gmail.com>
> To: Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] 4th Peerage
> 
> 
> 
> Like it or not...there are those who say that one must be a Peer to be a leader.
> 
> Consider the recent unpleantness....is it a Pan-populace petition?
> No, it is a Pan-Peerage petition, with a "Oh, you're not a peer, fill
> out this form and the BoD might care" option only put in by apparent
> insistence by our Crowns (thank you for that btw).
> 
> Consider the current BoD...all members are Peers.  Looking at the list
> of nominees...the vast majority...Peers.
> 
> Peerage has power.  To deny a group of people it because the activity
> they do doesn't fit with the current peerages is incorrect.  Likewise,
> to attempt to redefine one of the existing Peerages to encompass the
> new activity is also incorrect.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Duane Moore <poetamilitarus at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is a fallacy in your arguement. Do you honestly believe that someone 
> must be a Peer to be a leader? I strongly disagree, and worshipfully admire our 
> Provosts, for instance, that teach, serve, and lead by example. A title will 
> never dicate that love of the Society.
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