[MR] I'll Probably Regret This Later (UNCLASSIFIED)

[logan]

but you clearly have not "put together all of the data i have available to
me".  you have not been to any of the peerage meetings nor have you spoken
with esa or myself regarding the situation herveus.  you should correct your
statement and indicate that youve heard one side and that is all you feel
you need to hear.  i just find it odd that you claim " In order to make a
reasoned choice, one needs to know the relevant facts in order to make a
judgement (ms)" and then not follow through with that advice (which i agree
with).  additionally, you are incorrect regarding the options on the
petition as they do include an opportunity to abstain.  im also not sure
where you are getting this information about the original r&d as some of
what you claim happened certainly isnt what has been shared with us.  not
saying it isnt accurate but i wonder how you would have access to
information that the kingdom does not.

regards
logan


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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Houghton
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:16 PM
To: Barclay, Peter C LTC USA CIO/G6
Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] I'll Probably Regret This Later (UNCLASSIFIED)

Howdy!

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Barclay, Peter C LTC USA CIO/G6
<Peter.c.Barclay at us.army.mil> wrote:
> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Greetings unto Gorm (and the kingdom) from Master Terafan,
>
>    I think an important issue is being mis-construed (or perhaps
mis-understood)...
>
> In one note Gorm stated:
>> There was a hearing before the BoD, a sanction was issued, so far as I
>> know it has been followed...
>>
>> What, exactly, is wrong with letting the people who are the judge,
>> jury, and executioner do their job and be satisfied with the outcome?
>
> Followed with (in another email)
>
>> I have no knowledge of whether the accused is guilty of the crimes
>> he is accused of or not
>
>
> Many of the peers don't know either, but that is NOT the question.
>
> As you stated, the BoD conducted a hearing and made a ruling.  Those
issues are fact, but they are also history.  Nobody is being asked to be
"judge and jury" on the issue.  That was already done and we are "satisfied
with the outcome".
>
Actually, the explanation I saw regarding the choices on the petition
was that peers were asked to agree/disagree with the request that
the board make the revocation and denial of membership permanent
again. In order to make a reasoned choice, one needs to know the
relevant facts in order to make a judgement. We *are* being asked
to judge Janos. The stated reason for revisiting this question with
the BoD is that Atlantia was apparently not notified of the appeal
and thus was not able to present counter-arguments. It is notable
that Janos was not provided the particulars of the reason for his
banishment until four months after the banishment -- somewhat
later than the two weeks (or so) mandated in Corpora.

Clearly, the BoD saw some reason to soften their sanction, but
they only relented on permanence. Given the apparent lack of
diligence on the part of Atlantia in the initial stages, complaining
about the subsequent actions by the BoD seems a bit much.

I have taken the time to inquire directly of Janos (via Rachel) for his
side of the story. Putting together all of the data I have available to
me, I do not see the purpose in continuing to pursue this matter. In
good conscience, I cannot support this request from the Crown.

yours,
Herveus, Pelican and Laurel
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