[MR] Newbie- I have questions about tent outer decor - Alexandera Glaes Linden Kellehari

Wed Apr 15 12:20:58 PDT 2009

Hi- I finally have the mtrls and the use of my Mom's ind. sewing machine,(which is the size of a small country! ) is there regulations on what you can put on a tent? I wanted to make some really neat panels so I can either connect two 10 X 10's (when I have the ankle biters) or one for myself. I had yellow and blue mtrl and was told that I could not do a yellow and blue tent, so I bought some black and white (white for the roof- I was told it helped) I was thinking about yellow and black with the Fleur counter Fleur (one overlaps the other) and blue and white or blue and black etc.... Can I put spike on my tent? I rather ask now than waste material, $$$ and time. Thanks to anyone that can help me! 

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Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 3:00 PM

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   1. Re: Drawing from a hat (Kelly Keck)
   2. Re: Drawing from a hat (logan)
   3. Permanent Crown Sites [LONG] (egeorges)
   4. Coronation Morning Court Report - Jason & Gerhild - April 11,
      2009 (Mike Brindle)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:32:05 -0400
From: Kelly Keck <kellylynne at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MR] Drawing from a hat
To: Merry Rose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Megan Shogren
<brockenspectre at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Would two hats be better than one- a hat for Spring and a hat for Fall,
with the?groups expressing a preference for which hat they want to be in?? The
ones with no particular preference could be used to even the numbers, if
necessary.

That's a good idea.  The ones willing to do either could go in both
hats, with a re-draw if the same name were pulled twice.

Adriana

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:32:32 -0400
From: "logan" <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
Subject: Re: [MR] Drawing from a hat
To: "'Merry Rose'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
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sure, why not.  those with no preference could be put in both hats and once
one of their tickets is drawn the other becomes null.  makes sense to me and
for groups like caer mear that think hosting crown so close to sapphire
would be difficult (even if i dont agree with that fear).

regards
logan

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Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:31 AM
To: Merry Rose
Subject: Re: [MR] Drawing from a hat

Would two hats be better than one- a hat for Spring and a hat for Fall, with
the?groups expressing a preference for which hat they want to be in?? The
ones with no particular preference could be used to even the numbers, if
necessary.

?
-Kat Ferneley
of Caer Mear

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To: "atlantia at atlantia.sca.org" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:19:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] Permanent Site for Crown Tourney

>Now, we would be happy to be in the mix for a Fall Crown, and I'd
imagine they'd be willing to be in the mix for a Spring one, but I
think it would be preferable to let groups declare, maybe a year in
advance "Yes, we'd like to host X Crown" and draw from those who
put
their names in the hat, perhaps favoring those who haven't done it
yet/lately or whatever...but let the groups declare their readiness.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:01:26 -0400
From: "egeorges" <egeorges at cox.net>
Subject: [MR] Permanent Crown Sites [LONG]
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I have finally made my way through most of the emails on this topic, and
here's my 2 farthings....

1) The pros of having a permanent site are (a) significant lightening of the
load on the Kingdom in terms of finding event bids for two of the 12 Kingdom
events on the calendar, (b) certainty for participants and staff in terms of
knowing what to expect for Crown Tourney.  That certainty has a  number of
ancillary benefits:

(i) Participants and staff can plan far in advance to attend or not attend,
to work or not to work
(ii) Site lore will be readily available because of the fact that the site
is frequently used.  My guess is that after a year or two Crown Tourney will
be an event that practically runs itself because the logistics of it will be
largely worked out.  As long as we are organized about preserving that site
lore (and god knows we have our share of ridiculously organized individuals
to handle a task like that), autocratting Crown becomes a relatively cut and
dried proposition.
(iii) Because autocratting Crown can be so routine, it could become an ideal
event to train aspiring autocrats who want to get involved with autocratting
Kingdom level events.  I am a BIG believer in creating opportunities for
people to learn new service skills in the SCA.  Here in Ponte Alto, members
who want to try their hand at autocratting are encouraged to autocrat our
Bloodbath event, because it is by far the most routine event to autocrat.
That gives them something to cut their teeth on and build the confidence to
take on a more complicated event afterwards.

(2) Cons of the proposal of a permanent site are (a) People living far from
the center of the Kingdom will have to travel significant distances to
Crown, and will not have the option of encouraging a Crown bid close to home
to alleviate the travel, (b) A sense of sameness can set in with Crown, an
event that already has trouble attracting people because it is a
"specialty"
event that has little going on other than Some A&S competitions and of
course, Crown Tourney itself, and (c) autocratting remotely does propose
some challenges and limits who can be involved in autocratting and in doing
other jobs to those people who can take the time from work to travel for
several days,(d) the risk that non-local individuals without relationship to
the region and the site could be less than rigorous in the care of site and
staff than those who are local, and (e) it locks us into a long term
contract, which is always a risk financially and logistically.

There are obviously responses to many of these points on both sides.

I am personally in favor of a permanent site for Crown because I think that
many of the cons have responses that minimize their impact:

(a) Yes, living far from the center of the Kingdom means that you have to
travel more to get to Kingdom events more often than not.  But realize that
Atlantia comparatively speaking, is a geographically compact kingdom.  There
are Baronies in the Midrealm that take nearly nine hours to drive across.
People in other kingdoms regularly drive much greater distances than most of
us do to get to Crown Tourneys and Coronations.  

People's ability to travel is often constrained by many things -- time,
distance, money, family, etc.  We as a Society are going to have to get used
to the fact that while certainly we want to make all of our events as
accessible to as many people as possible, that there will be many people who
can only play at a more local/regional level, and that this should not make
them "second class" SCA players.  I think we are already battling
this
phenomenon as a result of last year's gas price spike and this year's
struggling economy, but it's a fact of life in our modern world that the
amount of time and resources people have to devote to a hobby like ours is
shrinking, and that issue is a larger issue than what needs to be considered
here, a can of worms that is incredibly important to our growth as a Society
but really tangential to the main issue.  

But it is relevant to our discussion here in that we need to acknowledge
that the problem of keeping the Kingdom more united and Kingdom events more
accessible is not going to be solved or rendered unsolveable by the decision
to declare a permanent site for Crown Tourney.  It is harder to get to
Reidsville from Northwest Maryland than it is from Richmond, no question.
But that hardship is lessened if you know 12 months in advance that you'll
have to go there if you want to fight in or watch or autocrat crown.  And as
someone has already noted, if you want to be King or Queen and live in the
far reaches of the Kingdom, you'd best be prepared to do some travelling.

(b) the problem of poor attendance at Crown has less to do with the location
of it than with its nature as a "specialty" event.  I don't think
giving
Crown a permanent location will have as much impact on attendance as perhaps
including a high quality archery shoot or rapier tourney.  We also have a
tradition in Atlantia where Crown lists tend to be small.  In other
Kingdoms, Crown lists can top 60 combatants.  There are reasons why people
are hesitant to enter the Atlantian Crown List, I am sure, but someone else
is probably better qualified than me to discuss that, and again, it's an
ancillary point at best to the matter at hand.

(d) The issue of activity that could lose a site has less to do with whether
someone is local to the group than it does with whether we are building a
culture among our event staff of leaving sites better than we found them.
If we are doing that effectively, this should not be a problem. 

(e) every contract, whether long term or for a single event, has risks.  You
can always modify contract language to cover those risks.

In other words, I think that while there are some legitimate cons to the
proposal, which means we have to go forward with this deliberately and with
foresight, none of them rise to the level where the idea of a permanent
Crown site should be discarded out of hand.

One solution may be to try it out for two years and see how it goes.
Perhaps a contract that has a two year initial period with an option for an
extension for more years?

With apologies for the length, I remain,	

Luce Antony Venus

(Please help fight overlong posts by cropping this missive when you hit the
reply key. Thank you.)

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Brindle <batcok at yahoo.com>
Subject: [MR] Coronation Morning Court Report - Jason & Gerhild -
	April 11,	2009
To: AtlantianHeralds <atlantianheralds at yahoogroups.com>,	Kingdom of
	Atlantia <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
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On a fine spring morning, with air clear from the evening's rain, Jason?and
Gerhild held their last court as?King and Queen of Atlantia.? The following
actions were conducted at that time:

1) Baroness Novella the Fierce was inducted into the Order of the Golden
Dolphin.

2) Lady Trephine la?Broderesse was inducted into the Order of the Opal.

3) Bella Farinelli?was given her Award of Arms.
?
4) Lord Geoffrey ap Clywd was sent to play his prize for the Order of the White
Scarf.

5) Lady Yngvildr Galtadottir was created a Baroness of the Court with a Grant
of Arms.

6) Benjamin of Elvegast was inducted into the Order of the Sea Dragon and
received an Award of Arms.

7) Liaden O' Caollaidhe received an Award of Arms.

8) Lady Anne of Greenwode was inducted?into the Queen's Order of Courtesy.

9) Lord Galen of Black Diamond was inducted into the Order of the Sea Dragon.

10) Baron William Welwyn received the King's Award of Excellence.

11) Lord Pagan Grendel, Lord Llyr of Anglesey, Lord Bors Boden, and Lord Kieran
Hunter reveived the King's Award of Excellence.

12) Baroness Edgia Vamensdattir, Baroness Novella the Fierce, Baroness Astrid
Thorvardsdattir, Duchess Isabel Grimault, Lady Tyra Thorkelsdatter, Baron Edward
Kinslae, Sir Askold Grimr Brotamaorr, Lady Marion le Red, Baroness Yngvildr
Galtadottir, Jessica Kinslae, Nowell of Warwick, Lord Bramr of Atlantia, and
Lady Emma West all received the Award of the Undine from the Queen's hand.

After making those recognitions Their Majesties Jason and Gerhild dismissed
their retinue.

After receiving back the coronet from his Queen did King Jason hand his own
crown to Prince Logan Ebonwulf and end his reign.

Thus did things happen at that time in in that place.

Baron Michael Batcok
Albatross Herald
"Always and everywhere I have lived as though each day were my last and
would never return."
Petronius, The Satyricon 

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