[MR] Permanent Crown event site

logan logan at ebonwoulfe.com
Mon Apr 13 20:45:16 PDT 2009 

actually there was no contact person in sacred stone for any part of the
kingdom.  esa and i met with the director after ice castles and talked with
him about the site.  after that it was turvon (black diamond) was the
contact person.  the director is far beyond any point of needing only one
contact person for that site and is well equipped to deal with all sorts of
folks given how many different groups use the site.  ive met with him and
spoken with him and i assure you he is more competent than that, and a super
nice guy to boot.

regards
logan

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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Adeliza of
Bristol
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:06 PM
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site

Were this a discussion about a hypothetical situation or trying to pin down
all the Kingdom's events, you may have a point. But it isn't. This is
specifically a discussion about Crown Tourney being tied down to BJ Penn.
What may or may not happen with other events, groups and sites need not be
considered at this time. 

The person currently with the best working relationship with BJ Penn does
not live in the group the site is located in. So, requiring the local group
to get involved and cough up a contact person to effectively replace the
perfectly excellent contact person in place makes no sense at all, and might
actually be a bigger danger to loosing the site than simply letting things
be. Now, if this is going to stress the local group, it should have been
illustrated last weekend. Black Diamond came down and ran the event. Did it
cause excessive or unnecessary stress on the local group? THAT is what we
need to hear.

Making the assuption that the group who lives where the site is will always
be the best contact is not logical. King's Mountain is in Nottinghill Coill,
but Sacred Stone used the site constantly for years and had an incredible
working relationship with them (I actually knew one Ranger on a first name
basis). The inability to get a date on their calendar is the only reason it
stopped being used so often, to my knowledge. Should Nottinghill have been
forced to come up with a single contact person and everyone made to rely on
them? Why?

It may cause stress, it may add a level of difficulty, frogs may rain down
on us from the heavens too. I believe this last weekend will best show us
how things will be and won't be, and what problems need to be addressed
first. It makes far more sense to look back and see what the facts are than
try to predict the future and avoid every single possible flaw.

Anyone from either Black Diamond or Windmasters care to tell us all what
kind of strain it put on them? How did it effect things that the primary
contact person lives in Sacred Stone? What do those specifically involved in
this event site and its location feel might be problematic. This is
information I would find more useful than guessing at road blocks.

Adeliza

> 
> Message: 6 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Becky McEllistrem 
> Subject: Re: [MR] Permenant Crown event site 
> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org 
> Message-ID: <927256.67668.qm at web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
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> 
> 
> > The welfare of the Kingdom needs to have some priority 
> > here. Yes, it is important to keep the groups and 
> > individuals in mind, but throwing the baby out with the 
> > bathwater makes no sense. 
> 
> Nobody's saying throw the baby out with the bathwater hon. We're saying it
is 
> just common sense that more stress is going to happen to the local group
whether 
> that's the plan or not and pretending it doesn't won't make the issue go
away. 
> There should be a local contact on staff since it does ultimately fall
onto the 
> locals to clean up anything left after the rest of the kingdom has
returned 
> home. 
> 
> When I was thinking about putting in an event bid in a group I'd just
moved to 
> the first thing I did was go to a business meeting and ask the group for
advice 
> about the site. It saved a ton of time and there was almost no "what about

> us?!!" comments. It was all useful information not commonly known about
the 
> site. 
> 
> 
> 
> Rebecca 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 7 
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Debbie Halstead 
> Subject: Re: [MR] and now the business stuff starts 
> To: Merry Rose 
> Message-ID: <442063.74089.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 
> 
> > Molly: is there some reason that Atlantia cannot pay a portion of 
> >the site fee for a Kingdom level event? 
> 
> >Corwyn: As I recollect Kingdom CAN "sponsor" or front a local group
hosting 
> >the event per policy (been a while since I read it, but that's how 
> >it was when I was KingdomSeneschal). 
> 
> I remember that being talked about in an Unevent Senschal's meeting back
when 
> you were Kingdom Seneschal, but there is no trace of it that I can find in

> current Financial Policy. (Also, I asked about it not too long ago before
I took 
> over as DKEB and got looked at like I was nuts....) 
> 
> Debora 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THL Debora Aurifex 
> Isenfir MOL & Deputy MOAS 
> Royal Baker 
> Kingdom Event Bid Coordinator 
> 
> 
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