[MR] Knowing all of the Results of Crown Tourneys

[Cian Conor MacQuaid]

Lady Lisette,

Thank you for the clarification. It may well be that my past exposure to 
the autocratic form of response caused me to see it when it was not, in 
fact, there. There are many ways to address the technical challenges. At 
our next opportunity I would be happy to discuss various ways we could 
ease the transition from report to published results. If there is no 
space on the Kingdom site (and there may well be, I am just reticent to 
offer someone else's resources) I would be happy to host the results.

As a newcomer here I am interested in the way things are done. Thank you 
for the explanation, more information is almost always useful. In many 
of the Kingdoms in which I have lived and marshaled, tourney reports 
were separate from and in addition to the standard MoL reports. They 
were typically submitted electronically and the regular reports were 
submitted via post with the accompanying waivers and signature cards. 
Money was never involved. We did produce results for all types of 
tourneys: single and double elim; round robin; and swiss five, as well 
as non-standard forms.

Sir Cian

Lisette la Bergiere wrote:
> Sir Cian, and Gentles,
> 
> Forgive me if that is the meaning that you took from
> my post.  That was not the intended sentiment.  I have
> tried in the past to publish double elimination
> tournament results to a web forum, though not to the
> Merry Rose.  It is time consuming and not easy.  This
> weekend's tournament, for example, ran with 8 rounds
> of fighting, constituted of 32 fights including 2
> challenge-in bouts, and best of 3 for the finals (and
> semi-finals).  Should there be any changes to the
> standard format (byes, drops, challenge-ins, etc),
> those would need explanation to accompany the results.
>  As it stands now, attaching a pdf file of the tourney
> brackets would not make it to the Merry Rose as
> attachments are stripped from the email, thus
> necessitating the results to be converted by hand.
> 
> And to correct one statement that was made, Minister
> of the Lists reports are not submitted electronically.
>  They require proof of legal signatures, and often are
> accompanied by monies collected for authorizations. 
> As such, they can only (at this juncture) be submitted
> by hand and by regular mail.
> 
> Should the technology afford a simple and efficient
> way of publishing the results of double elimination, I
> would gladly submit the information to the populace. 
> Until such time, any gentle wishing to know more
> details has only to ask, as it is a matter of public
> record.  My only other suggestion would be to become a
> warranted MOL and attend the event to follow the
> progression of our fine fighters and the Consorts they
> honor.
> 
> In service,
> Lady Lisette la bergiere
> KMOL
> 
> --- Cian Conor MacQuaid <Cian at MacQuaid.org> wrote:
> 
>>> The Kingdom Minister of the Lists keeps the full
>>> report of all Crown Tourneys held in Atlantia.  I
>>> agree that all of the participants and fights are
>>> important.  Due to the nature of how Crown
>> Tourneys
>>> are held, typing this information into an email
>> can be
>>> time consuming for the reporting MOL and confusing
>> for
>>> those reading such an email who are not familiar
>> with
>>> how double eliminations are run.
>>> In service to Crown and Kingdom,
>>> Lisette
>>> KMOL
>> Perhaps I misunderstood, but this looks a lot like
>> "It would be work for
>> us and you wouldn't understand it anyway." Forgive
>> me if I
>> misinterpreted, but that is an answer with which I
>> am all too familiar 
>> from interactions with the government. In past cases
>> only the first part 
>> of that statement was an accurate one. Did I
>> misunderstand?
>>
>> It seems to me that most tourney reports are
>> submitted electronically in 
>> any case. It would be relatively simple to share
>> this with the populace. 
>>   We could even go it one fancier and convert the
>> results to web pages 
>> and include them as part of the Kingdom record. I am
>> not the savviest of 
>> web developers, but this would be within my
>> capabilities if you wished 
>> to pursue it.
>>
>> Sir Cian
>> Somewhat familiar with how lists are run, and how
>> reports are submitted
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
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