[MR] [aten] Re: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request for comments

[Jamie Griffin]

looking and listening to all the comments....thinking about the waiver I've signed.... hey novel thought we already sign waivers to play at our own risk....a waiver that basically says I will not hold the society responsible for anything that happens as a result of the normal activities of this dream mmmm game...drinking water seems like a normal activity to me...
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----- Original Message ----
From: Kharra <k_unegen at yahoo.com>
To: atenveldt at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:58:01 PM
Subject: [aten] Re: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request for comments


Greetings,
Skimming through my long over due e-mails I caught a glimpse of this 
and had to come on and read it fully.
Though it is an interesting issue to bring up I have many questions 
of the idea of "Health board rules".
In wording this says basically... You can do it but we will not 
acknowledge that your doing it. No thank yous will apply for people 
gifting water, no moneys, no office will apply to these people who 
spend time making sure there is water for those fighters who do not 
bring their own. It will stretch out to "no water bearers on the 
field" eventually if not initially as you do not wish to give 
the "Impression" that you are condoning the actions of "sharing 
water".
Individual water bottles are absolutely "Health board safe" as long 
as they are not opened and never reused. To reuse you would need 
them to be sanitized in an industrial machine and resealed. Health 
board for the state of Arizona would mandate the holding of a "food 
service card" for any server and the wearing of gloves when handling 
the product.
Ok all fine and good. People can look at this and can take it or 
leave it. We remove a office and officer, we bring our own water and 
life goes on... maybe. In Arizona we think "dude bring water no 
matter what, somebody will always have some and we would never deny 
a person water when asked for. This is us. We know the true value of 
water and its importance. 
I could shake my head and walk away from this without another 
thought. Ok I will make sure me and mine have water.. whatever...
However...
On the guise of the reasoning behind the removal of water bearers 
when does it take one step forward and deem itself into the feasts? 
A lot of our functions include the serving of food and indeed many 
of them are evolved around the feast itself. Once you apply "health 
board standards" to any issue and risk of law it is natural for the 
feast to be looked at in succession.
Health board rules for Arizona would mandate there be a person with 
a valid "managers card" (in certain counties) "food handlers card", 
a kitchen that has been inspected by the health board and deemed 
worthy, all dishes and cooking items to be washed properly in a 3 
sink system or industrial machine, all food items to be fresh and 
purchased "unopened". The regulation to temperatures, handling and 
all that ensues as there are a million "rules" governing food and 
its care in any service environment. Will we eventually have to 
remove the "brewing" from any competition as we will not be holding 
a license to serve and it has not been properly inspected by the 
officials that be? Of course that would deem that any person who 
gives through the culinary/brewing arts would also be void of being 
able to be thanked or recognized as we often do currently.
Under the idea of spreading disease of any kind.. besides a few 
blood born diseases that would be a rare occurrence to catch by the 
sharing of a water bottle, or the viral diseases that you can catch 
by sharing anything. what diseases are we concerned of? Most other 
illness's we can contract by any physical contact and or being in 
the radius of any person with such an illness.
The entire thing is quite perplexing as, if I contract hepatitis 
from eating at a fast food restaurant I have no chance in hell of 
making any suit to the restaurant as I can not "prove beyond doubt" 
that I contracted the illness there, even if the majority of 
employees have it. Could I have? Absolutely.. did I? who knows. I 
don't believe any attorney would even take a glimpse at my case as 
it is too hard to prove and win.
So before we bat our eyes and shake our heads walking away.. maybe 
we should look this over a lot more. What will be the consequences 
of this action in the end if we willingly forfeit our water 
bearers? Can we just have a clause or contract we fill out that 
says "I play at my own risk"?
Thank you,
Lee

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