[MR] Principalty or not to Principality

[logan]

correct.  barons/baronesses can be given permission from the crown to give
out any kingdom award.  rowan and i passed along a lot of awards to the
recipients local baron/baroness when we were unable to find them at events
we attended.  peerages can only be done by the crowns as they are society
awards (princes/princesses whether they are heirs or from a principality can
not).  

hmmmmm i thought none of this was about cookies.  seems to keep coming up
though.

regards
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From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Rorik Fredericsson
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:32 PM
To: Merry Rose
Subject: Re: [MR] Principalty or not to Principality

The Barons and Baronesses are the direct agents of the Crown and as
Baron Storvik I have given a Kingdom level award to a deserving
recipient when no arrangement was found to get both Crown and
recipient together.

There is no need to bother Count and Dukes with this issue.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:49 PM,  <sigrune at aol.com> wrote:
> I, frankly, am astounded and confused...
>
> Much of the discussion sounds to be centered on travel, or the ability
> of the crown and officers to travel to events.
>
> What benefit would a principality serve to Atlanatia aside from travel
> issues?  I have not heard any mentioned.
>
> I have heard a number of words that indicate to me that the desire for
> a Principality is a personal one, and this sets me ill at ease.
>
> Now going forward, several people have stated that "Crown Court/Crown
> Access" is a major factor for wanting change.
>
> Am I mistaken, but is there not a provision in corpora for agents of
> the Crown (Coronets, Baronage, Senechals) to present awards on behalf
> of the Crown?  i.e. The same process of Crown decision is used, it just
> gets handed to you by an "agent" instead of their Majesties.  I do not
> know other's feelings on this matter, but the award, commendation,
> acknowledgement would not mean any less to me if given by another's
> hand by order of the Crown. I see this as just as meaningful, since the
> authority of the commendation still comes by the power and honor of
> their Majesties.
>
> Is there an article of Kingdom law that prevents this from being
> practiced?
>
> Is this a case of Atlantian precedent that prevents this from being
> considered?
>
> Further, what of our Dukes and Counts?  Is their some manner of law or
> restriction that prevents them from being apointed agents of the Crown?
>  There are a good number of their Graces and Excellencies that I look
> up too and admire, and to be presented with an award by one of their
> number would have great meaning.
>
> If there are restrictions to prevent these thoughts from being
> utilized, perhapse we would be better serving to our Kingdom to examine
> these restrictions, and actualy think about what the underlying
> problems that need addressing realy are.
>
> Also, we are not the only kingdom suffering from the price of travel, I
> have not heard such talk like I have seen on this list, and it is
> distressing.
>
> In my mind (and in the same thoughts as some of our esteemed
> forerunners) The idea of principlaity should be from a desire to
> establish a unique group culture...  Is there a lack of Atlantian
> culture, or is there such a desire in the northern end to examine a new
> direction of kingdom culture that is seperate and unique from the
> southern part?
>
> Maybe we should look at that as well.
>
> Though personally, I like the idea of insituting Duchies and Counties
> if we want some sort of other division... not to mention it could make
> great schtik!
>
> -Takeda
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