[MR] Principalty or not to Principality

[Rorik Fredericsson]

Well said Your Grace.

That was the _intent_ of my post and you have cleared up my own
clumsiness with words. As a Baron I CANNOT award a Kingdom level award
without the Crown's direction. I've seen every award but the Society
level awards handed to people by the Baronage AT THE DIRECTION OF THE
CROWN. I gave a Golden Dolphin at ToC. Could the Crown have directed
someone else to do it? Of course! And at my court I would have called
that agent into court and then he would pass on Their Majesty's words.
That's the way the game is played.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM,  <richardfitzgilbert at jcsussman.org> wrote:
> It is by long tradition in the SCA that Barons and Baronesses are the ones
> who serve as proxies for the Crowns except in certain very rare
> circumstances usually having to do with coronations.  Barons and Baronesses
> are the ones who regularly hold court and have actual geographic
> responsibilities unlike those of County and Ducal rank.  They are the ones
> who are usually called upon to give awards (usually AoAs) when the Crowns
> believe they will not cross paths with the intended recipient.
>
> Yours in Service to Atlantia,
> Duke Richard Fitzgilbert
>
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> Subject: Re: [MR] Principalty or not to Principality
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rorik Fredericsson <baron.rorik at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 2:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] Principalty or not to Principality
>
>>The Barons and Baronesses are the direct agents of the Crown and as
>>Baron Storvik I have given a Kingdom level award to a deserving
>>recipient when no arrangement was found to get both Crown and
>>recipient together.
>
>>There is no need to bother Count and Dukes with this issue.
>
> My appologies your Excellecy, but again I am confused, if I
> mis-interpret the meaning of your words, please correct me.
>
> Your choice of words, seem to me, to indicate:
> A: The Crown may only delegate such authority in the event that they
> cannot be there in person
> B: Dukes and Counts (or anyone other than one of landed or officer
> status) have no right to be issuing/delivering awards from the Crown.
>
> I feel this is in incorrect because all awards (with the exception of
> Knighthood which has the stipulation of "Only a knight can bestow
> knighthood") are governed by the will and discression of the Crown...
> this includes who presents them
>
> See Corpora:
> VI Royalty, D:2
> "Royalty may delegate to any subject the execution of any legitimate
> royal power for a specific
> instance, such as the transmission of an award to an individual named
> and selected by them, subject to the
> laws and customs of the realm."
>
> and
>
> VI Royalty, E:3
> "Royalty may delegate: (1) the decision-making powers on legislation,
> distribution of
> armigerous awards and orders, or banishment, or (2) signature authority
> for warrants and rosters to territorial
> princes and princesses within their Kingdom. Royalty may not delegate
> these powers or authorities to anyone
> else."
>
> D:2 Means that the Crown, or any specified agent of the Crown, may
> transmit the will of the Crown for the contitions specified. D:3
> Specifically prevents the power to decide to grant AOA or higher levels
> of awards, or signature authorities to anyone other than a Principality
> Coronet. - This speaks of the power to decide, not of delivery.
>
> The Crown is the fount of all honors within the Kingdom, it is by their
> judgement and decree alone how their honors are bestowed.
>
> -Takeda
>
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Rorik Fredericsson
Baron Storvik

"It's amazing how much 'mature wisdom' resembles being tired."