[MR] Driving distance

[Alan MacNeill]

Yes and no...

Certainly, on occasion, the groups in the Principality would want to
host the Kingdom events.  Likewise, those in the Principality would
still want to travel to some of the Main Kingdom events.

However, a Principality (generally) has it's own set of 12th Nights,
Crown Tournaments (Coronet's, actually, but same sort of thing),
Coronations, etc...so the pressure to "Have half of the Kingdom events
north of the NC/VA border" would be significantly less.

Likewise, a Principality 12th Night would (probably) have somewhat
smaller attendance than a Kingdom one, therefore more sites are
available, potentially.  Likewise, Kingdom 12th Night would probably
be somewhat smaller, allowing for more sites to be viable.

Likewise, the Prince and Princess can be given permission to give
awards after consultation with the King and/or Queen (from what I've
seen, it's generally put in Kingdom Law for the individual Kingdoms).
So there is less pressure on the King and Queen to have to get to each
of the 17 Baronies during their reign to give them a "local presence".

Basically, it allows for a division of labor.  Are there drawbacks
that accompany it?  Certainly.  Yes, there will be people that
wouldn't cross the border.  But there are people who won't cross the
NC/VA line currently...it's not that different.

And yes, it is true, 10-15 years after a Principality is formed, folks
within it might start thinking "Geez...why aren't we a Kingdom?" and
take action...but that is not automatic, and not even frequent.

Gorm of Berra
speaking for his own undecided opinion only

On 6/6/08, Baroness Rozsa <bessenyeirozsa at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I've been skimming this discussion, but I was a bit confused by the point
> you are trying to make.  So I'd like to ask a few questions..
>
> What would  the reasons for forming a Principality be if not to begin the
> process of forming a new Kingdom?
>
> If all that was being formed was a Principality - which I assume means that
> they are indeed still part of the Kingdom - wouldn't the Principality still
> be eligible to host Kingdom level events (maybe even sort of 'expected' to
> put bids in), and wouldn't the King and Queen still be 'expected' to travel
> to events in the Principality during their reigns?
>
> Thanks for explaining!!
> Rozsa
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan MacNeill" <gormofberra at gmail.com>
> To: "E-Mail List Merry Rose Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [MR] Driving distance
>
>
> >
> > Just for the record (and I am completely undecided as to whether I'd
> > be pro-regions or not)
> >
> > No one is advocating "dividing our beloved Atlantia".  A Principality
> > is still part and parcel of the Kingdom, just as all of Windmaster's
> > Hill's Cantons are still part and parcel of Windmaster's Hill.
> >
> > It is true that the first step towards establishing a new Kingdom
> > would be to first establish a Principality, but no one has ever said
> > that is an inevitable journey.  There are principalities in other
> > Kingdoms that have been such for over 20 years, and have no intent of
> > going Kingdom anytime soon.
> >
> > An interesting point I found perusing the SCA pages...we are the
> > oldest Kingdom in the SCA that has neither spawned a child Kingdom nor
> > has an active Principality in place.  That may be meaningless...but it
> > is interesting nonetheless...
> >
> > On 6/6/08, mchoward at cox.net <mchoward at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Just a thought on this, before we continue discussion on dividing our
> beloved Atlantia, maybe we should try and figure out why Crusades died. Just
> a thought.
> > >
> >
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