[MR] Event Bids and Driving Distances

[logan]

i never said it wasn't richard.  but how does splitting a kingdom up change
any of that?  even if we downsize each kingdom to one state there are still
people that wont go to an event because its four hours away (and that's not
even going to get you across nc).  breaking kingdoms up into tiny little
areas will allow most people to go to every kingdom event, sure.  so why not
make every barony a kingdom, or two?  if that is the solution to everything
then im all for it.  our fighting community will be more of a wreck with all
the "regional differences" that will come from that but i guess the rest of
the scas issues will be solved.

also, you mentioned that you took exception to my comment about there not
being a lot of support from the north.  i understand that in the circles of
people pushing for the split it surely seemed that there was nothing but
support.  its like asking if there is support for obama at a clinton rally.
but the fact is at the end of the day the support came from a much smaller
percentage of the populace in the northern half of the kingdom.  just going
by raw numbers.  granted one can look at no commentary from its members as
support or opposition.  i realize that and was/am aware of this.  however,
on our end the numbers were simply not there. 

regards
logan

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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of
richardfitzgilbert at jcsussman.org
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:26 AM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Event Bids and Driving Distances

You make it sound like seeing the Royalty and getting awards isn't
important?  How about being able to make it to all the kingdom level events
that you want to attend?  How about making it possible for the Royalty to be
at all the events that they want to attend?  It used to be that it was
unheard of for a member of the Royalty to be absent for a peerage ceremony
or a baronial investiture.  Now, no one thinks twice about it.  It used to
be that virtually every seneschal attended unevent, what are the numbers
now?  It's not geographical size that's the problem, it's the size of the
populace, the number of events, and the number of groups.

Richard Fitzgilbert

-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of logan
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:42 AM
To: 'The Merry Rose at Cheapside'
Subject: Re: [MR] Event Bids and Driving Distances

and how does making kingdoms smaller change any of that?  i mean, besides
getting awards or seeing royalty?  will making kingdoms smaller change the
amount or distance people are willing to travel?  or will they still choose
to stay close to home and not visit with other groups?  how insular should
the sca become and to what benefit?  i understand the gripes about travel, i
suffer through filling my tank and shelling out $70 to do so just like the
next guy.  but breaking kingdoms into tiny entities with imaginary borders
wont change that.

regards
logan

"I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was
hell." 
Harry S Truman 
 
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
vengeance need not be feared"
Niccolo Machiavelli

www.ebonwoulfe.com

-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Montuori
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:57 AM
To: The Merry Rose at Cheapside
Subject: Re: [MR] Event Bids and Driving Distances

Scripsit Logan:
> atlantia is a small kingdom geographically.

This is not as true as it once was. Trimaris, AEthelmearc, Atenveldt, and 
Caid all have noticeably fewer square miles than Atlantia; Meridies and 
Gleann Abhann are each slightly larger. The East Kingdom is only larger 
due to including Quebec and the Maritime Provinces of Canada.

In these days when it is nearly twice as expensive to go anywhere as it 
was two years ago, I am afraid that we must all resign ourselves to seeing 
less of our further-away friends. I am hearing this from friends in the 
East, Calontir, Northshield, Gleann Abhann, the Outlands and Artemisia. 
(And let's not think too hard about how long it takes to cross An Tir!)

I have no simple or easy conclusions to draw, and even if I did I would 
not expect to be able to convince anyone who was not already inclined 
towards similar conclusions.

Evan
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