[MR] Event Bids and locations

Thu Jun 5 14:25:52 PDT 2008

Mistress Kiri,

Your words are well spoken, and my husband reminds me of just that
event.  My apologies for having forgotten it, and thank you for your
reminder as well.

You mention though, about the fear that the Northern part of the
Kingdom would forget about the Southern part of the kingdom.  Isn't
that exactly what is happening here? A Northern group has stepped
forward with a viable option for 12th night, no other bids were
presented, and yet the bid was rejected and the deadline extended.

It is no secret that the fighters in the southern part of our fair
Kingdom are fierce fighters.  Many of our Kings have come from the
south, at least since I have been able to play locally in the last 4
years (prior to which I was a nomad due to mundane reasons despite
maintaining a dwelling in Atlantia).  When we have a northern King or
Queen, we see the Royalty in the North.  When we have a Southern King,
we don't see them as often.  The plain simple fact of the matter is
that being King (and Queen) is expensive, and having to travel to the
far ends of the Kingdom makes that cost worse.  I have seen a few
cases in the past few years where a Southern King chose a Northern
Consort - and that seemed to work quite well.   They were able to
share responsibility and split up for events, allowing TWO events on
the same weekend to see Royalty.

My point is not that Southern Kings and Queens don't come North,
though.  My point is that with the cost of everything rising so
quickly it makes sense to at least talk about this.  I am sure that a
large can of worms has been opened, but it is something that has been
muttered about in at least 4 northern groups that I know of.  Nobody
wanted to be the person to step forward and say "Hey, can we talk
about this?".  If the Kingdom were only a 4 hour drive across, instead
of 11 hours, people would be more likely to go to events, and by
having a second set of Royalty for the North, the Royals would not
have to spend quite so much money and time in travel.

Case in point - Highland River Melees is one of the largest non
Kingdom Level events in Atlantia.  The following weekend is
Assessments in Black Diamond.  The appearance is that their Majesties
were forced to choose between the events because it is so far to come
up north for them, and since Assessments really sort of NEEDS the King
in order to assess the army, the choice seems obvious.  In their
shoes, I would probably have made the same choice.  But if the kingdom
were smaller, it would not be as much of an issue, in my opinion.

At any rate, that's pretty much what I have to say on the topic.  I am
sure our boxes are about to inundated with discussion of this, since
the can was already opened.  Let's all try to be civil about it.

And please note - NONE of my commentary is meant to be accusatory or
finger pointing or any such thing.  It is meant as observation and how
I, and I alone, perceive the situation.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Elaine Koogler <kiridono at gmail.com> wrote:
> My Lady,
> I hate to disagree with you, but many of us can remember a Twelfth Night in
> Black Diamond, just off of Interstate 81, that turned into 13th, 14th and
> 15th Nights because the Interstate itself was closed!  I don't know about
> others, but I came close to losing my job because I couldn't get out of
> Blacksburg until Wednesday of the week after the event...and even then
> almost didn't make it home as we got caught in yet another storm.  But to be
> honest, I'm not certain it was a weather problem...Black Diamond, Storvik,
> Lochmere and Dun Carraig have all hosted this event and we are also subject
> to snow events...even Richmond and Raleigh aren't completely out of danger!
> I think it really does have to do with Highland Foorde being so very far
> north...even for some of us in the northern region, it is as much as 4 or 5
> hours away...unfortunately.
>
> I was part of the last effort to create a northern principality, but it was
> unsuccessful for a number of reasons, at least part of which were a fear
> that we wanted to become a Kingdom...and the fear of many in the southern
> part of the Kingdom that we would ignore the rest of the Kingdom.  I do
> think that, given the cost of travel and the situation with the economy, it
> may be something we want to consider again.
>
> Kiri
>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:14:17 -0400
>> From: "Glynis Gwynedd" <ylandra at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Event Bids and Driving Distances
>> To: "Signora Sveva Lucciola" <ladysveva at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Lady Margaret <ladysayher at gmail.com>, atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> Message-ID:
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>> In actuality, my lady Sveva, the chances of the roads being blocked
>> due to snow in this area are extremely remote.  The complex in
>> question is immediately off of a major 4 lane road, which is only a
>> few miles off of interstate 70.  It is all highway miles the entire
>> way there on this end of the trip.  I am fairly certain that the
>> possibility of roads being blocked is not too big of a concern here.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Signora Sveva Lucciola
>> <ladysveva at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I am lucky to live more toward the Southern middle of the Kingdom, but
>> > I still feel your pain and hope that your group does get to do a
>> > Kingdom event at some point soon.
>> >
>> > I do not know what factors went into the event bid selection process,
>> > but I could see how in addition to the driving distance, the higher
>> > chance of roads being blocked due to snow at 12th Night time might have
>> > also been a concern with your location.
>> >
>> > As for making things more affordable to the average SCA person, there
>> > are some practices that seem to be less and less utilized. Namely
>> > carpooling and crash space. Both of these not only help stretch your
>> > SCA $, but they help to foster new acquaintances and friendships within
>> > the Society!
>> >
>> > Good luck with your upcoming Highland River Melees!
>> >
>> > Sveva
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~Lady Glynis Gwynedd
>> Barony of Highland Foorde
>> "Have you hugged a harp today?"
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:46:14 -0400
>> From: "Glynis Gwynedd" <ylandra at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [MR] Pictures of Adam of Erin
>> To: "Merry Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>> For those who aren't sure who Adam is... the pictures in the link
>> below say it all.  Adam stood guard at my wedding, fully prepared to
>> stave off the trouble that might have started.  He was there when I
>> needed someone to talk to about some difficult things.  He promoted
>> our Barony, started a group of people rolling on getting a canton
>> started, he was one of the founding members of Highland Foorde and
>> helped get Spiaggia Levantia started too.  He fought, he marshalled,
>> he cooked, he served.  And he always did it with a smile.  I will
>> surely miss him.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: James Debes <lordshamus69 at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:45 AM
>> Subject: [Bright Hills] Pictures of Adam of Erin
>> To: brighthills at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> Here some photos I had taken of Adam at various events dating from
>> 2001-2008.
>>
>>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordseamus/sets/72157605439649809/detail/
>>
>>
>>
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>> ~Lady Glynis Gwynedd
>> Barony of Highland Foorde
>> "Have you hugged a harp today?"
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~Lady Glynis Gwynedd
Barony of Highland Foorde
"Have you hugged a harp today?"