[MR] pennsic independent
logan
logan at ebonwoulfe.com
Tue Aug 12 09:43:14 PDT 2008
im sorry to hear that. while i am in no way a fan of the tuchux (or any
merc group) i must say the tuchux have made some good strides in the past
few years. mainly with improving the look of their kits and, it seemed,
participating in our events. but yours isnt the only set of issues ive
heard about this year. the only way to address them though is to
immediately identify the people engaging in these transgressions and then
taking swift, fair, and direct actions against them. i personally didn't
witness any rules violations this year but have always done my best to
single out those that violate our rules. you had every right to be upset
with being struck while on the ground and i can understand forgetting to
identify the man first while in the heat of things.
however, as we learned at gulf wars, it requires a marshals court to address
issues like these and that often isnt done. i used to have faith in our
marshals courts but with the stupidity that occurred at gulf wars that faith
is gone. that was the second time ive been to a marshals court to address
rules violations and in both cases the outcome was laughable at best.
perhaps we need to remind each other that when rules violations do occur we
must identify the actionable party first, then calmly bring the violation to
discussion. if the violation proves to have been blatant, such as the case
you cited with the spear thrust, firm action must be taken or the only
option left is to hand out punishment in other ways. i would certainly not
want to see that as im sure you would agree.
i hope kellia was ok soon after and that the rest of her pennsic was
enjoyable.
regards
logan
"I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was
hell."
Harry S Truman
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
vengeance need not be feared"
Niccolo Machiavelli
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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Remes
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:13 AM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] pennsic independent
Actually your Grace I disagree...I thought particularly the Tuchux behavor
this year was especially bad, and almost remincent of the year they were
jumping out of trees on people during the woods battle. During the Gates or
Rome Battle, I was face thrust with a spear well after I had hit the ground
dead and in a prone position. When I asked the Tuchux "what you gotta make
sure?" I was told by him "YES" instead of sorry dude. When I said WHAT?? in
an incredulous voice, a Middle knight defused the situation until I left the
field, as which point I stewed about why someone would intentionally stike a
blow to my face when it I was prone and therefore, according to the rules of
the list, unengageable so I would be unkillable. By then, of course. I could
not actually identify the Tuchux scum who face thrust me. My squire Kellia
was stuck twice in the kidney by a Tuchux polearm while she was down in the
same Gates of Rome battle. She was struck with enough force she could barely
walk the rest of the day, and was in anywhere from severe pain to moderate
pain for the entire week as a direct result . She missed the Woods Battles,
and Mountain Pass battle due to these unchivalous actions, and I chose to
keep her out of the bridge battle as I did not feel her back was up to the
stresses of a bridge battle. She also, while dead in the Gates of Rome
battle, was intentionally face thrust by Tuchux several times after she was
dead and prone on the field. Lastly, I saw an altercation during the field
battle with a Tuchux and an another Atlantian resulting in the Tuchux being
pulled from the field because he had been killed multiple times then got up
and continued stabbing people. Throughout the war, I had problems getting
people to acknowledge blows, even from my unpadded polearm. I am aware that
there are usually problems with the Tuchux..but thsi stuff seemed a lot more
blatent to me.
Axel
----- Original Message -----
From: "logan" <logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] pennsic independent
> in my 6 pennsics i would disagree with your experience. not with yours
> individually of course but with your question. i found the fighting and
> the
> interactions this year to be one of the best. the fighting was very low
> stressed with very little whining. tuchux and a few merc groups whined
> around me but they always do so that was no biggie and certainly nothing
> new. my interactions with folks on the road was awesome. much better
> than
> any other year.
>
> sorry to hear that you had a different experience but hopefully the
> difference between yours and mine will point out that it is what it is
> each
> year and hopefully you have now suffered through your "bad year". next
> midnight madness come get me, id be happy to shield wall you through the
> markets. ;^)
>
> regards
> logan
>
> "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it
> was
> hell."
> Harry S Truman
>
> "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his
> vengeance need not be feared"
> Niccolo Machiavelli
>
> www.ebonwoulfe.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of M'lady Foxy
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:16 PM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] pennsic independent
>
> I presonally thought this years war was more strained? then past
> altogether
> ...not sure if was war point thing or what but people seemed rude (had
> crutches knock out from under me 2 times at midnight madness ... needed a
> shield wall).. people seemed to have left earlier and strange feeling that
> the whole attendance numbers were fudged by the amount of empty
> camps.....anyone else feel this way?
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/10/08, chagankhulan at clan-whitewing.org
> <chagankhulan at clan-whitewing.org> wrote:
>
>> From: chagankhulan at clan-whitewing.org <chagankhulan at clan-whitewing.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MR] pennsic independent
>> To: "icychaos" <icychaos at msn.com>
>> Cc: "atlantia at atlantia.sca.org" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 3:54 PM
>> Bad grammar and all - I suspect the whole idea was to have
>> some fun. Fun
>> is a good thing even if I am a crusty old curmudgeon when
>> it comes to
>> spelling and grammar. You have to admit they got us talking
>> about them,
>> didn't they? Sneaky way to get cheap advertising...;-)
>> Now folks will be
>> looking for them next year - just to see what they come up
>> with for and
>> excore.
>>
>> Chagan
>>
>>
>> > My camp was convinced it was a ploy to get extra
>> editors. Along the lines
>> > of "Congrats for finding all the errors.
>> You'd make a good editor. Have
>> > you ever considered helping out?"
>> > Cheers, Bianca
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
>> > Sent: 8/10/2008 12:30:03 PM
>> > To: Becky Day <rwday at cox.net>
>> > Cc: David Wendelken <david_wendelken at nc.rr.com>,
>> atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>> > <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [MR] pennsic independent
>> >
>> >
>> > I also believe that it was just in jest. I know that
>> they have been
>> > ribbed a bit before about having errors in the paper.
>> (Hey, they are
>> > volunteers trying to put out a daily paper!) And I
>> think that this was
>> > a gentle ribbing back at those folks, that was perhaps
>> misinterpretted
>> > as them intentionally causing errors.
>> >
>> > Siegfried
>> >
>> >
>> > Becky Day wrote:
>> >> Yes. I didn't bring copies of the paper home,
>> but as I recall, one of
>> >> the
>> >> later editions claimed to have some ridiculously
>> high number of errors -
>> >> I
>> >> think it was a joke. However, there were a lot of
>> errors in every
>> >> edition,
>> >> so I can understand why people might have thought
>> the 'contest' was
>> >> legit.
>> >>
>> >> Margret
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/9/08 1:30 PM, "David Wendelken"
>> <david_wendelken at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> TWO - An early issue claimed 144
>> errors. That's an acceptable
>> >>>> number
>> >>>> for a paper the size of the PI, but 1066
>> intentioonal errors? That's
>> >>>> a bit excessive. The problem I have with
>> it is that more and more
>> >>>> publications these days have more and more
>> errors that AREN'T
>> >>>> intentional and I find that level of poor
>> grammar, spelling and
>> >>>> punctuation a sad commentary on both the
>> quality of these periodicals
>> >>>> and papers and an even sadder commentary
>> on the quality of our current
>> >>>> educational standards.
>> >>> How many errors did you say?
>> >>>
>> >>> 144? That's gross. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> 1066? Perhaps they were a bit hastings with
>> the editing. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Think they might be pulling someone's leg?
>> I do.
>> >>>
>> >>> andras salamandra
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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