[MR] Fwd: A&S Sponsors for non-A&S people

[Amy Kennedy-Butler]

To the Dukes, and others involved in this conversation,

I am a Laurel.
I am a Pelican.
I spent Years as an MoL and learned about fighting from that.
Last summer I was authorized in heavy weapons, and am a very happy, pretty
poor fighter.

This is one artist who would be thrilled to have someone teaching me, as all
the fighters I know are in the East....

Olwyn ni Chinneidigh
(Who is bummed because she should be doing the arts thing at KASF, but wants
to be out playing with the fighters, and is grateful that armor pieces are
still missing from the move so she doesn't have to make the choice)

On 2/28/07, Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/28/07, Logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com > wrote:
> >
> > we haven't discussed aspects of knight candidates beyond fighting and
> > character for many many years.  im of the mind that a knight candidate
> > should be a master of his art and the rest is worth little
> > notice.  meaning,
> > as long as the guy can fight and is a nice enough guy, and does some
> level
> > of service, im ok with it.  but then again.... ive never heard anyone
> ask
> > a
> > laurel or pelican candidate how good their fighting is.  yet, knights
> are
> > expected to be all encompassing....
> >
> > regards
> > logan
>
>
> Your Grace, with all due respect, all peers are supposed to have a basic
> knowledge of courtly things (and practice them)....
>
> "They shall have made every effort to learn and practice those skills
> desirable at and worthy of civilized court. To this end they should have
> some knowledge of a wide range of period f orms, including but not limited
>
> to literature, dancing, music, heraldry, and chess, and they should have
> some familiarity with combat as practiced in the Society. " SCA Corpora,
> VIII, A, 1 December 5, 2006 revision   http://www.sca.org/docs/govdocs.pdf
>
> This states that all peers need to have more to them then that which you
> outlined as current (personal) standards for knights. Laurels and Pelicans
> are required to have a familiarity with SCA combat and Knights are
> required
> to have some knowledge of things that often are considered the territory
> of
> Laurels and Pelicans.
>
> Therefore, according to Corpora, all peers should be all-encompassing to
> an
> extent. I expect that if I ask (in the proper time and circumstance) a
> knight, pelican or laurel to a game of chess that they would be able to
> oblige. I know of peers that make such things a part of their dependants
> training.
>
> This is not to say that I don't know peers who lack the basic knowledge
> set
> forth above; however, I do wonder why they would not seek out what is
> required of them and then strive to meet whatever requirements that they
> may
> not have had prior to elevation.
>
> To address Mathilde's question:
>
> "Sometimes fighters are expected to provide an A&S piece and documentation
> to
> enter crown tourney. Artisans are never asked to show their fighting skill
> when entering a pentathlon. People might wonder if this is fair?"
>
> I don't see any reason why an artisan shouldn't be able to present some
> form
> of basic knowledge of fighting as it is done in the SCA. Those who
> participate in fighting make up a large portion of the people in the SCA.
> As has been noted in this discussion, fighting is often the focus of
> events.
> I'm not saying that an artisan should have to hop in with sword and shield
> for a fight in front of A&S judges, but would it be unfair for the
> pentathlon judges to ask a few questions and ascertain if the artisan has
> a
> basic knowledge of this prominent portion of the SCA? I think not. I am
> not
> advocating for this to happen, just saying that it wouldn't be horrible
> for
> artisans in high level competition to be questioned on this matter. Have
> we
> all not sat at some point in time and watched the fighting on the field?
> Do
> not most SCA participants have the skill to discern between a sword,
> shield,
> spear, and axe?
>
> After all, (as was pointed out by Mathilde) the person bestowing all the
> goodies gets to do so because he/she fought and won so we all ought to
> know
> something about how that portion of the game is played, yes?
>
> As a final thought... it's all supposed to be about having fun, and making
> yourself better at whatever area you choose to work, be that fighting,
> cleaning up the hall, organizing the event, needlework, armor making, or
> just plain playing chess. Corpora sets forth a requirement for a basic
> knowledge of a civilized person of court for peerages. I think it
> desirable
> to have this basic knowledge in order to better understand the time frame
> (and personae) we are attempting to re-create, whether the person be a
> peer
> or not.
>
> Smiles,
> Despina de la will probably regret sticking her nose in....
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