[MR] the real petitions are now online

Fri Oct 20 09:06:20 PDT 2006

As a fighter who has had rigid elbow protection under my shield (I was
gearing to fight pole and ended up sword and board, I can tell you that
I was at a significant disadvantage and in potential harms way since my
mobility with my shield was severely affected.  Not being able to move a
shield effectively is potentially harmful to the fighter.  As for
padding under a camail (can't talk to aventail) this raises the heat
level against the neck and can cause overheating issues, when it should
not be a problem.  If you have ever worn a hood that goes past your
neck, you will understand.

As for selective enforcement of rules, I hope it does not come to that.
We as marshals must be there to support safe combat and these rules do
nothing to help that.
In Service
Muirghen 

-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Keck
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39
Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] the real petitions are now online

I am sorry to hear that there are marshals who intend to ignore these
new rules.  I myself am probably too new a fighter and am *certainly*
too new a marshal (authorized fighter for two years and a bit, warranted
marshal for less than a month) to be the best judge of whether these
rules are necessary or are overkill.

But, I feel very strongly that a marshal shouldn't pick and choose which
rules they want to enforce.  There's a responsibilty to enforce the
rules as they're written, not as you wish they were written; otherwise,
why have rules at all?

If there's a rule that you feel you absolutely cannot in good conscience
enforce, I think it's far more honorable to do what Duke Logan has done
and resign than to enforce the rules selectively.  That comes with its
own set of problems, but seems far better than ignoring the new rules.

If it's something one feels strongly about but not to the extent that
it's worth resigning over, I'd encourage those people to sign the
petition, write to the BOD and the SEM, but, once it takes effect, to
enforce the rules and follow them until and unless they change.

For those who are opposed to this, I think that choosing not to enforce
the rules could severely undermine their credibility and actually work
against getting any changes through.  Will the SEM and the BOD really
listen to people, especially marshals, who blatantly disregard the
rules?  It seems like a much stronger position to argue for their
removal but enforce them unless that happens.

Both petitions mention that requiring elbow protection under a shield
and padding under an aventail can actually lessen the safety of
fighters.  I'm interested in hearing about why that is.  Is it simply
that padding an otherwise unsafe aventail won't help (as the petition
states), and will give that fighter a false sense of security, or are
there other problems?

Duke Logan, thank you very much for the link to the petition and for
making the list aware of this issue.

YIS,
Adriana Michaels

On 10/20/06, Logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:
>
> every marshal that has expressed an opinion to me personally regarding

> these rules has stated plainly that they will ignore them.  not just 
> atlantians, in fact mostly not atlantians.  i never said atlantian 
> marshals.  in fact, i have put in my letter of resignation as a 
> marshal of over 15 years due on the day these rules are to be 
> enforced.  i simply can not enforce senseless rules and walk around as

> a marshal.
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