[MR] A question of Protocol

[mweymark]

Well to be quite honest, I have been witness to all of these except the
missing toast.  I have sat a grand total of 3 feasts in my entire time in
Atlantia, so am no good judge on that.

This entire thread began because I am making a decided effort to be "right".
Get my "stuff" together, as well as serve their Excellencies and through
them the Crown to the best of my ability.  I find that being courteous take
little effort but a great deal of thought.  I have always been told (even
when I lived in Ealdormere) that one respects the Crown and/or Coronet and a
show of that respect can be as simple as rising when they pass or as grand
as you wish it to be (fill in service junky task here).  Though I do believe
that there are moments when we all forget, and that can and should be
forgiven, I also believe that(for me at least) the show of respect to
persons of station is a great part of the dream.

To answer your question I am sure some were not aware of the presence of a
person of Station, like you I prefer to assume that they were not being
malicious.    But I am equally sure that some were well aware, in fact I
have seen first hand someone not only remain seated but carry on a
conversation with them without so much as a nod.  I am not looking to point
fingers and in each case I have witness it could very well be that there was
a reason the person did not attempt the customary reverence that I am not
privy to.  Is there any reason other than a health reason that one does not
rise for the Crown and its chosen Baronial Representatives?

In service
Caterine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derrick Solomon" <d.solomon at mattamymail.com>
To: "mweymark" <mweymark at carolina.rr.com>; "Arthur Donadio"
<dukecuan at hotmail.com>; "Atlantia Elist" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] A question of Protocol


> without specifics its hard to make a judgment call caterine.  did
> someone forget to toast someone?  or bow?  or did someone act in an
> inappropriate way?  and, if so, were they aware of the presence of
> someone of station?
>
> regards
> logan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of mweymark
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:45 PM
> To: Arthur Donadio; Atlantia Elist
> Subject: Re: [MR] A question of Protocol
>
> I think we all agree that a person new to these customs can easily be
> forgiven, however what of those that have been in the game a long time?
> Would a gentle word of reminder be out of line? or should it just be let
> go?
>
> ** I once actually left a message for our receptionist "If his Majesty
> calls, please find me" I am certain you can imagine the LOOK I got.
>
> Caterine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Donadio" <dukecuan at hotmail.com>
> To: <ladyro at comcast.net>; <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR] A question of Protocol
>
>
> > Hello All:
> >
> > In my experience, no sovereign, consort, royal peer, or person of
> baronial
> > rank who is comfortable in his or her own skin will bristle at an
> unintended
> > failure to observe the customary courtesies.  Most of us remember all
> too
> > well what it was like to be new and to have difficulty remembering the
> forms
> > and meaning of the various hats and heraldry.  As has been commented,
> > Atlantians are known around the world for being particularly
> respectful to
> > the Crown, to each other, and to dignitaries of other realms.
> >
> > My take on the toasts differs from that of His Grace, Logan.  Under
> the
> > theory that in their own lands the baron and baroness outrank everyone
> but
> > the king and queen, during my reigns, I have always instructed that
> (at
> > events hosted by a barony) the landed baron and baroness have the
> honor of
> > toasting the king and queen.  Then the highest ranking peer toasts the
> crown
> > prince and princess and the next highest ranking toasts the sitting
> baron
> > and baroness.  This has always made the most sense to me as it helps
> > reinforce to the people of the barony that next to the king and queen,
> their
> > baron and baroness are at the top of the food chain in their lands.
> >
> > On the topic of carrying SCA observances into the modern world, I can
> tell
> > you that I have done that too.  At the end of a long and particularly
> > contentious trial in district court, I rose to give my closing
> argument.
> > When I concluded, the judge said,"thank you, Mr. Donadio".  Without
> > thinking, I bowed to the judge before sitting down.
> >
> > Cuan
> >
> >
> >
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