[MR] Conflicts with Holiday Faire weekend

[Tank Mark D]

Very good points! I have noted a few instances on this list wherein baseless assumptions spiraled into needless anger. 

Good gentles, those who coordinate events surely would find little or no profit in maliciously scheduling a conflicting event. No one would win in such a scenario. 

There is a basic social principle involved here: If you're not talking to someone who can solve the problem, you're likely aggravating the problem. In other words, a single email to the group who coordinated the event might have eliminated all opportunity for talks of boycotts and anger and aggravation.

Remember: If your goal is actually to SOLVE a problem, it's always better to talk TO someone than ABOUT someone. 

Yours In Service,
Glynn-Haydn Murcheson-O'Shannon


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[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of david wendelken
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:39 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Conflicts with Holiday Faire weekend



I would hope the people advocating boycotts and other general unpleasantness have considered these possibilities and verified they are not applicable before counseling the course of action copied below:

1) Maybe the people responsible for the Dun Carrig event are new to Atlantia and just didn't know about the "traditional" date for Holiday Faire.  

2) Maybe the people responsible for the Dun Carrig event are simply new to running/scheduling events, and didn't realize the expected ettiquette to follow.  

2) Maybe the people responsible for the Dun Carrig event just filled out the form for the event and checked the box for "no conflicting events" because it seemed like a reasonable thing to do.  Have they since been asked to allow the Holiday Faire to conflict with their event and refused?

3) The groups aren't all that far apart.  Maybe the essential parts of Holiday Faire that make it a unique event (whatever they are) could be incorporated into the Dun Carrig event.  Has anyone asked that and been refused?  Maybe it could be a jointly hosted event.

4) Maybe the folks in Dun Carrig, faced with a crowded kingdom calendar chock full of "traditional" events by older groups, simply got tired of trying to find a date that didn't conflict with someone, and simply figured "It's only fair, it's our turn this time."

5) Maybe Stierbach is just plain tired of doing the same event and wanted a break to try something new.  I'm guessing that's not the case this time, but it might apply in similar situations.

It's usually best to assume ignorance rather than malice, and act accordingly.

andras salamandra

>
>Does anyone know about this??!?!
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sca-merchants at yahoogroups.com [mailto:sca-merchants at yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf Of Ric
>
>A group in Atlantia has reserved the Holiday Faire weekend and will 
>not allow conflicting events, which means HF will have to find a new 
>site and a new date.  I'm wondering what other's reaction is to this.
>.. I'm more than slightly peeved about the whole thing and will 
>likely boycott the conflicting event and may encourage others to do 
>the same.  
>
>FWIW, I'm not a member of either group and our booth is not something 
>we do to earn a living.  It just seems... tacky.  
>
>Magnus  
> 
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> 
>The Atlantia event page is http://acorn.atlantia.sca.org/calendar.php. The 
>Atlantia group in question is Dun Carraig. They have indeed pre-empted 
>Stierbach's Holiday Faire weekend on November 18th, which has always been 
>held the weekend before Thanksgiving. They appear to have other events 
>scheduled on February 25th and April 22nd. We shall notably and pointedly 
>avoid them and all other Dun Carraig events in the future until they learn 
>better manners.
>
>BTW, we are not members of either group, but have supported and promoted 
>Stierbach for over five years now, and our booth *is* something we do to 
>make a living. We shall simply make a point of avoiding making a living in 
>their territory.
>
>Is there any way to bring this to the attention of their Atlantean 
>Majesties?
>
>YIS,
>
>Friderich Hausknecht
>Bakhail, East Kingdom
>

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