[MR] Change in Laurel office policy regarding arms for Consorts

[E L Wimett]

Yup.  I'm not sure that this is the wisest course, but the current Laurel
team are in the midst of THEIR spate of "last minute rulings to put our mark
on the Society" like most of their predecessors.

(And, no, I'm not immune to that: mine were the Rules for Submissions and
the Administrative Handbook.  [GDR])

Alisoun, (currently) Golden Dolphin

P.S.  I had not planned on posting this generally (as opposed to including
it in a circular to heralds) precisely because it has no real impact on
Atlantia, as Kwellend-Njal points out.  Whenever proposals for separate arms
for the heirs have been suggested in the past (to follow the current Eastern
model, for example), it has been decided that Atlantia did not wish to do
this.  And we will be able to register changes in the future if need be.
(And this has no impact whatsoever on the current change in process in any
case since that is scheduled for consideration in May, 2004, and this does
not take effect until two months later.

-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of David WJames
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:44 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] Change in Laurel office policy regarding arms for Consorts

Note that the following does NOT affect Atlantia, as the kingdom 
currently has arms registered for the Consort's use (and I don't recall 
hearing any desire for a coat for the heirs other than the usual with a 
label).  Any future principalities that may form in the kingdom would 
be affected.

This is cut and paste; any errors below are in the version I received.

Kwellend-Njal
Narwhal Herald
(cheering abstractly from the sidelines)

 > -----Original Message-----

 >  From Laurel: Devices for Consorts and Royal Heirs

 > This month we were called upon to reflect on the SCA's policy
 > of registering devices for a consort (either for a kingdom or
 > a princpality), or for royal heirs apparent (also for a
 > kingdom or principality). We have no evidence of a real-world
 > consort having arms that differed from her husband's (except
 > for marshalling). We likewise have no evidence of an heir
 > apparent having arms that were not a differenced version of
 > the arms of their parent, except for marshalling, and for
 > fiefs that the heir apparent might have had (such as the
 > Dauphiné, ruled by the dauphin, the heir to the French throne).e
 > The practice of registering devices for the consort and heirs
 > is falling out of favor in the SCA in general. Some of the
 > newer kingdoms have not registered devices for their consorts
 > and their heirs. We applaud the trend to a more period
 > practice with regards to arms, or lack of separate armory for
 > the consort and heirs.

 > Because the SCA device is parallel to real-world practices
 > for arms, the SCA shall no longer register devices for
 > consorts or for heirs to a kingdom or principality after July 2004.

 > Under this decision, consorts in kingdoms or principalities
 > without consort's arms may use the undifferenced kingdom
 > arms, and kingdoms may elect to allow both heirs to the
 > throne to display the kingdom arms differenced by a label or
 > other standard mark of cadency. This matches some period
 > armorial display for royal arms.

 > Kingdoms and principalites that currently have arms
 > registered for the consort or heirs may submit changes to the
 > registered armory via the application of the grandfather
 > clause. We shall require a poll of the populace showing
 > support for changes to the armory. Note that this poll has
 > not previously been explicitly required for the armory of the
 > heirs apparent, but it seems appropriate to require such a
 > poll, which is already required for consorts.

 > Kingdoms and principalities that currently have arms
 > registered for the consort or heirs are encouraged to
 > consider following period practice and to discontinue the use
 > of the armory.


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