[Fwd: Re: [MR] Rumors and pollings]

Tue Jan 6 10:07:27 PST 2004

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Subject: 	Re: [MR] Rumors and pollings
Date: 	Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:07:01 -0500
From: 	Nicholas S. Malone <nix at iolinc.net>
Reply-To: 	nix at iolinc.net
Organization: 	MRI
To: 	Richard Fitzgilbert <RichardFitzgilbert at JCSussman.org>
References: 	<8BBC92362A0BD6479E2F15658910608E43FE13 at HQNTX1>

The fact of the matter is; that with the introduction of electronic 
polling, order mailing lists, some chat room gatherings, etc.  None of 
this is private.  If you tyype it into a computer, that is ever attached 
to a network, let alone send messages to a server it is public 
information in most practical and legal senses.

Richard Fitzgilbert wrote:

>Greetings and Felicitations from Richard Unto Lord Galen Storm!
>
>This is just my opinion about pollings and you would probably get a
>different view from other members of our polling orders.  This is
>probably worth less than my two pence worth.
>
>Lord Galen, I believe you have made a very common mistaken assumption.
>It is incorrect to assume that polling responses are secret
>communications.  While we can all hope that these responses are not
>shared inappropriately, one should assume that the content of these will
>become know to others than the current Crowns.  It is easy to imagine a
>situation where a Crown will pass along the responses from a polling
>response to the peer or teacher of a particular candidate to help them
>in their activities.  It is easy to imagine that peer or teacher
>deciding to disseminate that information as well.
>
>That hard cold truth of the matter is that the information in pollings,
>as well as opinions expressed in order meetings, is often assumed to be
>secret and is almost always not kept secret.  Our modern sensibilities
>lead us to make this assumption.  If instead, we assume that polling
>responses are made by people who are doing their best to fulfill their
>responsibilities to their orders and that further use of that
>information is also made with forthright intentions (and in careful and
>courteous manner) then it's not so hard to deal with the cold hard
>reality that reveals that this commentary is also grist for the rumor
>mill.  
>
>It is my contention that proper sharing of this information, in a clear
>and courteous fashion, is the best way to avoid the misinformation and
>melodrama that the rumor mill generates.  For this reason, I try to make
>sure that any candidate, that I've commented on at length, knows exactly
>how I feel (if they care!) and has an opportunity to explain anything
>they want to explain and ask me any questions they want.  This is most
>often true for the knight candidates, but it also applies to the other
>orders for which I have the privilege of being sent pollings.
>
>Yours In Service To Atlantia,
>Jeffrey Sussman
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
>[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Stan Harmon
>Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:26 PM
>To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>Cc: brnsacstone at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [MR] Rumors and pollings
>
>        This past week a terrible rumor has past my ears.  I know this
>to be 
>a rumor because I know that the people who have control of such things
>have 
>great honor and intregrity.  This rumor goes something like this.  That
>a 
>poll once sent out for what ever reason is later shown the the people
>who 
>are involved in that poll.  I for one have been involved in more then
>one 
>polling with my name being submitted in those polls.  There may have
>been 
>people who have not agreed with that I should or should not be selected
>for 
>a certain honor.  To this date I have no idea od who they are nor who
>stood 
>by the selection of me for that award. This is how is should be.  I have
>the 
>great confidenced that should one receive a poll and cast thier vote
>either 
>yea or nay that that information will be kept in the strictess
>confidence by 
>those who receive them.  Vivat for the people of the SCA and Atlantia
>for 
>they are the living Spirit of Chivalry.
>
>
>
>In your service
>Lord Galen Storm
>
>The secret to fencing consists of two things: to give and to not 
>receive....Moliere [Jean Baptiste Poquelin] (1622-1673), French...
>
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