[MR] Re: authenticity...and the SCA as a joke

[logan]

my initiatives herveus?  the only thing "i" did was put it specifically into
atlantian law that there would be penalties assessed for those that refuse
to follow the stated guidelines for participating at an sca event.  and
those penalties only applied to those that take the field in either a
support role or an active role.  neither of which is an area that a brand
new person would be in so we felt it was a safe start.

while i agree completely with your statements about respect being earned and
assumed titles not being a guarantee of anything you have failed to address
her intent.  the author is correct when she states that the sca does not
look or act as it should given its declared purpose.  your assertion that
someone must define their persona in order to be accepted is going to far.
if a person claims to have a persona and that persona is a mongol and they
show up in a proper english shirt they are certainly adhering to the rules
of the organization.  how our enforcement of the rules when it comes to
participation on the lists leans toward examination of the accuracy of ones
persona and accouterments is beyond me.  or did i misunderstand your
statement?


regards
logan

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[mailto:atlantia-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Houghton
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:32 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Re: authenticity...and the SCA as a joke


Howdy!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:03:44AM -0500, Ladykatheryne at aol.com wrote:
> Bonjour all
> 
> I have found these emails long winded, and stressful. When Duke Logan 
> speaks,
> How can so many take what he says for granted? He is only speaking of the 
> truth. The SCA as we know it now, does NOT look like, or act as it should!
How 

There is less than full agreement among us here that he speaks TRVTH (which
is not to be construed as calling him a lair!). Neither is it axiomatic that
the SCA fails to act as it "should". 

> can I bring my children to an event, where their is people that choose 
> to run
> around flaunting themselves, in a "bad" manner? How do I tell my children
that 
> nipple rings are not period? We all try to recreate the living history.
But why 

Plain English? 

> should some of those be over looked??
> As the "Knights" in blue jeans........COME ON!....Atleast wear jogging 
> pants.

...that assumes that said jogging pants are less intrusively modern in their
appearance -- something I don't take as a given.
> 
> 
> I don't think ganging up on someone and nit picking his every word, is
> respectable. In our society, he is a Duke. He deserves some respect. I am
tired of 
> listening to people gang up on others, because they don't know the "REAL" 
> person.

Being a Duke does not automatically mean that someone gets a free pass on
poor reasoning or ill behavior. If Duke So-and-so stands up and asserts that
the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, am I to blindly accept that?
Logan has certainly given an ant hill a swift kick. I'll accept that his
motives were good, even if I think the implementation leaves something to be
desired.
> 
> Everyone in the SCA should "Try" their best to make the most 
> "authentic"
> chairs, garb, etc., to the period they portray.  I cannot say as much as
chairs, 
> Mine is still a work in progress, but my "Coleman" chair is well covered. 

That assumes that everyone has a particular period they aim to protray -- an
assumption that is observably incorrect and not supported by formal and
informal documents. One thing about the SCA is that people are free to focus
their creative energies (and authenticist bones) on the particular facets of
the temporal and cultural scope of the SCA that interest them while at the 
same time giving scant attention to the rest. They may be the leading 
authority on 13th century Hungarian narfing irons while dressing in basic
T-tunics. Such a person should not be cast out from our midst for the
latter. I fear that Logan's initiatives lean too much toward doing just
that.

yours,
Herveus
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