[MR] RE: New name for Troll (This is a Poll)

Sun Nov 9 07:41:22 PST 2003

Here are some period terms to replace non-period ones, from the OED.  I took
this from Despina de la Brasov, of the Middle Kingdom's, paper uploaded to
the Authentic_SCA groups files. Troll is near the bottom.

All definitions were taken from the OED online, found at
http://dictionary.oed.com

Bard
Modern SCA use: anyone who plays an instrument, sings, recites or writes
poetry of any sort

Earliest use listed in OED:
1449 In early Lowland Scotch used for: A strolling musician or minstrel
(into which the Celtic bard had degenerated, and against whom many laws were
enacted); in 16th c. a term of contempt, but idealized by Scott
1450 An ancient Celtic order of minstrel-poets, whose primary function
appears to have been to compose and sing (usually to the harp) verses
celebrating the achievements of chiefs and warriors, and who committed to
verse historical and traditional facts, religious precepts, laws,
genealogies, etc. Still the word for 'poet' in modern Celtic languages; and
in Welsh spec. A poet or versifier who has been recognized at the
Eisteddfod.

Suggested Replacement: Gleeman -
 Period examples 897 (Beowulf), 1000, 1200, 1205, 1300, 1362, 1387, 1400,
1440, 1500-20.  A professional entertainer at social gatherings; esp. a
singer, musician, or minstrel.

Dragon
Modern SCA use: vehicle using a gas powered engine, which travels on roads

Earliest use in OED:
1220 in a Bestiary; A huge serpent or snake; a python.
As used in the SCA: none

Suggested replacement: Car
Period examples, 1382, 1388, 1400, 1480; a wheeled vehicle or conveyance,
generally a chariot, cart, chariot, wagon, truck, etc.

Halfling
Modern SCA use: child or young person

Earliest use listed in OED:
For a purpose similar to it's SCA use, 1815 by Scott.  Earliest use in OED
1794.
Period use, none found.

Suggested replacement: Child
Period uses: 1000, 1175, 1225, 1386, 1547.  A young person of either sex
below the age of puberty.

Remove
Modern SCA use: a course at a meal

Earliest use listed in OED
1773 Johnson's Dictionary: Remove, a dish to be changed while the rest of
the course remains

Period uses: All these were used the 16th century: the act of taking away or
doing away with, a thing; the act or removing a person from a position or
office; murder; dismissal; a thrust made in fencing while withdrawing the
foot.

Suggested replacement: Course
(OED) Earliest example is dated 1325. Each of the successive parts or
divisions of a meal, whether consisting of a single dish, or of a set of
dishes placed upon the table at once.

Small
Modern SCA use: child or young person

Period use: 950, 1205. A smack or blow; an onset or shock.

Suggested replacement: Child
Period uses: 1000, 1175, 1225, 1386, 1547.  A young person of either sex
below the age of puberty.

Troll
Modern SCA use: where you enter an event, pay entry fee and gain information
about the event

Period uses: 1377, to move or walk about, to ramble, saunter, or
stroll;1570, a little wheel; specifically an angler's wheel or the winch on
a fishing rod

Suggested replacement: Gate
(OED) Gate - Period uses: 778, 900, 1000, 1175, 1225, 1450, 1552, 1592, An
opening in a wall, made for the purpose of entrance and exit

Troll
Modern SCA use: person who accepts your entrance fee to an event

Period uses: 1377, to move or walk about, to ramble, saunter, or
stroll;1570, a little wheel; specifically an angler's wheel or the winch on
a fishing rod

Suggested replacement: Porter
(OED) Period uses: 1290, 1300, 1382, 1400, 1413, 1433, 1530; One who has
charge of a door or gate, esp. at the entrance of a fortified town or of a
castle or other large building, a public institution, etc.; a gate-keeper,
door-keeper, janitor.

Apollonia

Signora Apollonia Margherita degli Albizzi
Seneschal of the Incipient Canton of Salesberie Glen
Kingdom of Atlantia
www.livejournal.com/users/apollonia

**La vita senz'onore e un viver morto.**

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Harmon [mailto:stan_harmon at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Atlantia at atlanita.sca.org
Cc: brnsacstone at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [brnsacstone] New name for Troll (This is a Poll)

                         Here are a couple of new names for Troll.  Let me
know what you think is the best or an alternative.

Gatekeeper  or  Concierge (Websters definition: Multilingual hotel staff
person who handles reservations, mail and luggage arrangements)

In your service
Lord Galen Storm

The secret to fencing consists of two things: to give and to not
receive....Moliere [Jean Baptiste Poquelin] (1622-1673), French...

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