Fw: [MR] Fitted and Supportive Kirtle/Cotehardie

[Katharine Devereaux]

This was meant for the whole list...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katharine Devereaux" <katdevereaux at hotmail.com>
To: "Betty Eyer" <betty_eyer at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] Fitted and Supportive Kirtle/Cotehardie


> Greetings,
>
> I would like to say that I am a very busty woman that believes the 4 panel
> kirtle/cotehardie combination is the most supportive and comfortable
outfit
> that I love to wear.
>
>
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/flonzy/images/Hastings2003/full/Kevin-09.jpg
>
> The above picture shows me not in my kirtle, but only in a 15th century
> dress that is cut with the same bodice as a cotehardie. Normally I would
be
> wearing a linen kirtle under the cote that provides even more support
> without the stretch. This brown wool dress stretches slightly due to the
> natural stretch of the fulled tabby weave wool.
>
> There is a little gaping, but not much (If I had been wearing my kirtle
> underneath, there would be no gaping and I would be riding even higher). I
> use close together (1" spacing) lacing holes to prevent pulling and
gaping,
> and if you were to use buttons would be integrated the same way, small
> buttons that are close together. This creates an equal pull, even at the
> most stressed points.  The shape of the bodice is also very different, the
> curve of the bodice is all in the front two pieces. The sides pieces have
> straight lines as does the back. On the front there is a definite "S"
shape
> that supports the chest fully. When doing this curve, you cannot be afraid
> to pull this tight to the chest and then it moves out along the curve of
the
> chest.
>
> I'd be more than happy to help anyone with this. Let me know if you need
> further assistance!
>
> In Service,
>
> Kat
> Katharine Devereaux
> Barony of Ponte Alto
> Kingdom of Atlantia
>
> katdeveraux at hotmail.com
> Per Saltire Erminois and Pean
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Betty Eyer" <betty_eyer at yahoo.com>
> To: "Merry Rose" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MR] Fitted and Supportive Kirtle/Cotehardie
>
>
> > I don't know what any of the ladies look like who have
> > recently posted, so please do not take this as a
> > personal comment.
> >
> > I have looked at these websites and admire these
> > industrious ladies who obviously have put a lot of
> > work and time into getting a particular look.  And I
> > have made similar dresses with various levels of
> > success and failure.  Notable is the otherwise
> > beautiful but unfortunately spiral black dress with
> > lovely pewter buttons to accentuate the twisted fit.
> >
> > Maybe the illusive and undocumentable explanation for
> > the fit of these dresses in period is due to the fact
> > that the standard of beauty was then, as in our own
> > time, thin and somewhat flatchested teenagers????
> >
> > And if you do succeed in fitting one of these dresses
> > to lift up a large and somewhat less than bouyant
> > chest, how the heck do you keep the buttons from
> > pulling into an unflattering gap, unbuttoning
> > themselves, tearing the fabric, popping across the
> > feast table when you sneeze, etc.?  No joke, all of
> > these things have happened to me with the button down
> > the front fitted dress.  I finally got one to look
> > good by sewing the bust together with a whip stitch so
> > that the pressure is not on the buttons at all. It is
> > quite a spectacle when I have to get in or out of it.
> > I got the idea that I was not what the designer of
> > that style had in mind.
> >
> > In this modern time, the style is to have stretch hip
> > hugger jeans worn with tops that don't quite make it
> > to the waistband of the jeans.  I don't wear that
> > style and fitting the jeans differently will not make
> > it flattering.  My teenage step daughter looks cute as
> > pie in it.
> >
> > Word.
> >
> > --- "Kathrina A. Black" <kblack at breckenvale.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Many months ago someone posted a link to a website
> > > that showed with great photos and text, how to make
> > > a fitted kirtle (or cotehardie, can't remember
> > > which) that would support your bust.  Does anyone
> > > know this website?  If so, could you please post it.
> > >  I saved it to my favorites, but when my computer
> > > crashed, I think it was lost.
> > >
> > > -Catriona inghean Ghiricc
> > >
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