[MR] Re: [AtlantianHeralds] Triton Speaks on the GoA of the OHM

[Lady Rhiannon of Berra]

So does this mean that for those people who have
already received Peerages and the like and just
recently received Court Baronys and like, these new
awards not only don't "count", they shouldn't have
happened?

I'm confused...

LadyRhi
--- Judy Gerjuoy <jaelle at Radix.Net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 Batcok at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Greetings to all who read these words from Baron
> Michael Batcok, Triton
> >Principal Herald.
>
> <snip>
>
> > I must disagree with you on this point.
>
> <snip>
>
> > In my investigation I have also searched the
> Precedents and the Cover
> >Letters of the Letters of Acceptance and Return of
> the Laurel Sovereigns
> >of Arms (a compilation of heraldic decisions
> available on the Laurel
> >Herald's section of the Society Web Site). In
> searching these documents I
> >have found nothing referring to this type of issue.
>  As I do not claim
> >perfect observation skills, I invite any who wish
> to please search them
> >also to ensure I have not missed anything.  As this
> is such a heated
> >issue with strongly differing opinions, I am
> addressing a letter to the
> >Laurel Herald asking his opinion on this issue.
> When I hear from him I
> > will relay his answer to these lists.
>
> Well, I am afraid you missed the ruling. From the
> November 1982 cover
> letter:
>
>
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>
> "Another question concerns multiple awards. There
> are three levels of
> arms in the SCA: arms by Award, Grant, or Patent, in
> increasing order of
> precedence. Once you receive a particular level of
> arms, you cannot later
> receive that same or lower level, as such action
> would have no meaning or
> effect. Thus, a person who receives an Award of Arms
> is an armiger. If a
> King incorrectly later gives that armiger a second
> Award of Arms, that
> second action is null and void because it has no
> effect: the person was
> already an armiger. The ceremony of the presentation
> of the second Award
> of Arms did serve the purpose of expressing the
> King's desire to reward
> the armiger, and so was of some effect, but the
> second Award of Arms
> should not be listed in the Order of Precedence.
>
> Similarly, if a Grant of Arms holder receives a
> later Award of Arms or
> Grant of Arms, the later action is of no effect and
> should not be listed.
> If a holder or a Patent of Arms later receives an
> Award of Arms, a Grant
> of Arms, or another Patent of Arms, then the later
> action is of no effect
> and should not be listed. You can only receive one
> Patent of Arms. A man
> who is a Knight, a Pelican, a Laurel, a Viscount, a
> Count, and a Duke has
> exactly one Patent of Arms, not six."
>
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>
> There are other rulings from that cover letter that
> we use today, such as
> the fact you only recieve one patent (as is made
> clear in the Atlantian
> scribal handbook).
>
> I hope this makes matters clear.
>
> Jaelle
>
>
>
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Gina MacNeill
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