[MR] [Heraldry] Laurel RETURNS for December, 2001

Gorm Of Berra gormofberra at earthlink.net
Fri Mar 1 12:13:30 PST 2002


Unto the Crown, Peers, and Populace of Atlantia does Lord Gorm of Berra, Golden Dolphin Herald, send greetings:

The following items were considered at the Laurel meeting in December, 2001.  They were submitted in July through Kingdom
or in August at Pennsic.

Unfortunately, Laurel determined that the following items were unable to be registered, and therefore RETURNED them.
The submitters will be receiveing formal notification letters soon.  They will have one year from the date they receive
those letters to resubmit a revised submission at no charge:

1.Aeschylus Grendel. Name. 
The name Aeschylus was documented as "the name of a great classical Greek playwright who lived from 535 BCE 
until 456 BCE." No evidence was found that this person was known in medieval England. Such evidence would be 
necessary to support the theory that this name was among the classical names revived in the 12th or 16th 
centuries in England. Additionally, most of the names revived at those times were Latin and were fairly well 
known.
Since the documentation stands with the reference to the 5th-6th C BC Greek playwright which is more than 1000 y
ears before an appropriate date for the byname (which is dated to 1180 in Reaney & Wilson, p. 207 s.n. Grindel), 
this name must be returned for excessive temporal disparity.

2.Anne Balfour of Markinch. Badge. (Fieldless) An arm embowed and couped above the elbow sustaining a club bendwise 
inverted azure. 
The arm as drawn here blurs the distinction between a cubit arm and an arm embowed. A cubit arm is couped just 
below the elbow, and an arm embowed is couped just below the shoulder. This should be resubmitted with a standard 
form of arm.

3.Atlantia, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Nereid. 
The documentation submitted for this order name was the previous registration of Nereid Herald (registered July 
1981). However, while we have evidence of heraldic titles being taken from order names, no evidence was presented 
of order names being derived from heraldic titles. Lacking evidence of order names being formed from the names of 
gods or demigods, this order name is not registerable.

4.Atlantia, Kingdom of. Heraldic title Paulonia Herald. 
The word Paulonia is post-period, as noted by Kraken:
Paulownia is a generic name for several species of trees native to the Orient, having heart-shaped leaves, and 
clusters of purple and/or white flowers. It is colloquially known in some parts of the South as "elephant ear 
tree" or "kudzu's big brother" after being brought to America in the same time frame as kudzu. The genus is 
ancient in its native territory. The name, alas, appears to date from the 19th century, as my dictionary gives 
it as New Latin after Anna Pavlovna, Russian princess who died in 1865.

5.Caitilín Fhionn inghean Fhionn. Device. Per fess engrailed vert and azure, in chief a dag rune Or. 
This device was returned in Kingdom, and the blazon was inadvertantly left on the LoI.

6.James d'Ormonde. Name. 
This name conflicts with James Butler, Duke of Ormonde (1610-1688), who has his own entry in the Encyclopedia 
Britannica. RfS V.1.c reads,
Protected historical personal names are protected in all of the forms in which they commonly appear. 
Charlemagne, which becomes Carolus Magnus in Latin and Karl der Grosse in German, is protected in all 
three forms.
Cornelian found that "the various earls/dukes/marquises of Ormonde typically signed themselves Ormonde." As 
they were routinely known by their title, this person is protected both as James Butler, Duke of Ormonde and 
as James, Duke of Ormonde. It is with this second form that the submitted James d'Ormonde conflicts.
His armory has been registered under the holding name James of Atlantia.

7.Katerina Kristanovna Volokhova vnuka. Badge. Azure, on a harp argent a rose proper. 
As drawn, the rose lies almost entirely on the stringed portion of the harp, which means it mostly lies on the 
field. The gules rose has insufficient contrast with the azure field. This must be returned for poor contrast. 
The wolf's head at the top of the pillar of the harp is a small artistic detail which need not be blazoned.

8.Michel von Schönsee. Name. 
As no forms were received for this submission, it must be returned.
(Note from Golden Dolphin - I have no idea why Laurel received no forms, I will be investigating and taking action 
to fix whatever happened)

9.Sylvana Ballaster. Device. Per fess rayonny gules and sable, three decrescents argent. 
The device needs to be redrawn. The rayonny line as drawn here is unacceptably small and indistinct. Rayonny 
is a complex line that should extend to wavy points above and below the line. Here the points are more like 
wavy crested. They are much too shallow, in that the total height between the top and bottom points of the line 
is roughly one-twentieth of the shield. One would expect at least one-eighth of the shield to be subtended by 
the complex line (three-fourths of an inch or taller on this size of shield). There are also roughly twice as 
many repeats as one would generally expect on a per fess line.

In Service,

Gorm of Berra
Golden Dolphin Herald
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