[MR] Crwon Tourney, the SCA , and such.

Tue Feb 5 06:19:42 PST 2002

 Actually...we could broaden the scope of Crown Melee to include other Kingdom offices...Imagine, if you will....[TOUNGE IN CHEEK] 
A cool, crisp autumn morn...a light mist covers the battle field.  The assembled populace looks left...and their is Attila the Vard...with his mighty army at his back.  Perfectly formed, heraldically correct banners fly behind him, no conflicts, no metal on metal...the perfect army to claim the title of TRITON PRINCIPLE HERALD.  But nothing so prized as that would go unchallenged!  As the crowd looks left...Herveus the Red strides into view.  A hundred heralds behind him, in unison crying out his many titles and ranks, each perfectly enunciated, in correct Order of Precedence.  The crowd looks towards the viewing stands... 

Michael Batcock nods, each contender having proven his worthiness as a herald.  Now the time had come for the Triton Tourney's Heraldic Rumble.  Gold trumpets signal the start, and the two armies roar out the names of their leaders.  ATTILLA THE VARD!!!!  HERVEUS THE RED!!!  Five times a hundred voices crying out as the earth rumbles beneath their running feat...a mighty clash as the armies collide.  OH THE HUMANITY!!!!  Then, finally, as the sun burns off the fog...a victor stands, with the last, bleeding remnants of his army...around them, the bodies of their enemies lie broken.  The victor strides towards Batcock, ready to assume the title of Triton, having proved not only his heraldic wisdom, but his might as well.... 

Can you see it...the bright glorious future? [TOUNGE OUT OF CHEEK]

  MR W <mungoe1 at msn.com> wrote: Boy, has this one brought out a lot of good discussion. I do not believe that we, in Atlantia, really want a change in how we do Crown. As for An Tir, they have the right to go to heaven, or hell, any way they want to. Yes, there is some points to be made about Royalty coming out of a Generals rucksack. Most successful leaders in the world arena throughout history were great generals. You do have to have strong leadership ability and charisma to lead troops inn battle, and perhaps those skills would make a stronger king. However, for we fighters that have come up in our fair Kingdom, the chivalric ideal is best exspressed in the crown tourney, the dream to win the Crown for the one we put our body in harms way for. In this, I think, is the reason we train and take our lumps. The ideal is what we strive for. However, the abilities that a great General must have:Leadership, organization, communication skills, a tactical mind combined with that of a politician, are very good ones for one to hold the position of Kingdom Seneshal! So I propose that we move towards a War Tourney to deside who will be Kingdon Seneshal every three years;)  Beside the problem that we may not get anyone to enter, I think this would be great fun to participate in, imagine all the negotiations that could be held, the balistas throwing mounds of paperwork across a open field. Cry Stewart, and let slip the administrators of war......... ----- Original Message -----From: CLINTDARBY at aol.comSent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:49 PMTo: atlantia at atlantia.sca.orgSubject: [MR] Crwon Tourney, the SCA , and such. Dear Gentles:
                          I usually prefer the guise of lurker and rarely decide that these posts are worth responding to. Before anyone raises and eyebrow or holds their breath, let me say I do not mean that this board is worthless. (it is amazing to see how easily people can take things out of context). Rather, I wish to say that I rarely have anything new to add to what has already been stated.

This ongoing conversation about the BOD's effort to regulate
(more so, to specifically define) the format of each Kingdom's Crown list has snagged my goat so to speak.

First: for the past 30 plus years we and our brother Kingdom's have always fought a double elimination Crown Tourney. It's tradition.
The bottom line is this - If you don't like it.......find another game. There are numerous medieval groups; Markland, MTA, Acre, etc.
You could even start your own group. People in Atlantia have done just that. Shoot, they were able to do so with less effort than some have put into their opinions on this very subject. I'm not telling you to bugger off, merely take the SCA for what it is........a game.

Second: We, the SCA are not a period society. We strive, of course , to portray what each of us romanticize as period. I myself enjoy stretching the most out of the SCA to emulate what I'd prefer -- late 14thC. But I will be the first to say I do not wish to recreate the politics of that time. There is enough back stabbing in our Kingdom as it is :O)

Last: think of it this way. What if you were well known for your awesome pound cake. You have been generous in giving away your recipe, allowing everyone to make the same pound cake. Call it Mr./Mrs (whoever's) precious pound cake, and for thirty years people have flocked to those who love your pound cake. Now some cook with a new idea, even a very talented one, decides to make a chocolate pound cake. It might taste better. It may gather a new and even greater following. But, I guarantee, it will not be the same pound cake that all the others have enjoyed for the last thirty years. 

I am not saying that change is bad. I just want my plain old awesome pound cake. If the crowd has lost its taste for it, then so be it. The new cooks can make there own recipe, or ask ACRE for their recipe.

HRH Logan .
Thanks for trying to put forth the concept that if we did use a War scenario to decide the final round of Crown Tourney nothing would change for the better.

Lady Drew.
Thank you for watching the Atlantian Lists, you opinion does matter. Without spectators we could not bring Honor or Glory to our King, his Queen, and the Ladies we fight for.

Atlantia.
I truly hope that no one is terrible disappointed in the way we run things. I have been absent for almost 8 years and revel in the notion that Tradition does not die.

Yours in Service,
Syr Christian Darmody

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