[MR] Re: Atlantia digest, Vol 1 #1080 - 5 msgs

[Duane Moore]

One small clarification, the Board of Directors are
not salaried employees, but volunteers. The salaried
emploees of the corporation are not the decision
makers in this process, rather it is the society
members that have volunteered to serve as the
directors of this organization.

Regards,
Bryce de Byram

--- Lupevulpe <lupevulpe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> couple questions:
> the BOD can't give an actual cost for publishing the
> TI?
> thats interesting.
> the TI has paid advertising in it, how do they set
> the
> cost for it?
> we all sign a waiver on our membership ap. and
> non-members sign one on-site so the insurance is for
> the site itself, how do non-members increase the
> insurance cost being on the same site at the same
> time?
> in all the companies i know of or have been in, if
> you
> pay someone a salary THAT PERSON WORKS FOR YOU,
> are you saying we pay people to dictate to us what
> the
> laws will be with no real power to appeal?
> thats plain stupid.
> in this time of "draw downs" and "right sizing"
> maybe
> its time to take AVERY hard look at this
> "corporation"
> this monster "we" have let grow and say "it's time
> to
> cut the dead wood".
> the only power we have left is to say "NO, I WILL
> NOT
> RENEW MY MEMBERSHIP UNTIL CHANGES ARE MADE"
> can we not have an individual in each kingdom stand
> an
> office and do the same job, with a set society
> charter?
> that would give more control to the actual members
> in
> each kingdom then some board that is out of touch
> and
> has no controls over it.
> in service to "the dream" not some BOD.
> Thomas E. Ashley USN Ret.
> AKA: Athalwolf
> 
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> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. RE: NonMember Charges (Logan)
> >    2. RE: NonMember Charges (Logan)
> >    3. Non-member surcharge (Susan and Frank Downs)
> >    4. RE: NonMember Charges (E L Wimett)
> >    5. RE: NonMember Charges (E L Wimett)
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> > 
> > Message: 1
> > From: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> > To: "David W. James" <vnend at adelphia.net>,
> > <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> > Cc: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> > Subject: RE: [MR] NonMember Charges
> > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:55:46 -0400
> > 
> > semantics are so wonderful.  however, the spirit
> is
> > what is important.  the
> > spirit of the law that we enacted was to benefit
> > members.  if membership
> > produces no benefit as you and a few others seem
> to
> > think, then lets get rid
> > of it all together.  nobody pay memberships ever
> > again.  im sure then that
> > the sca as we know it will remain the same.  no
> > changes at all.  we will
> > still have the .20 insurance and the newsletters
> and
> > the people that work to
> > keep track of all the day to day needs of an
> > operation the size of the sca.
> > somehow.
> > 
> > me, im happy to pay so little to get so much.  i
> > also think that the other
> > people that get benefits should pay a little as
> > well.  i think the $3
> > fee/tax/tariff or whatever term is needed to make
> it
> > somehow feel like a bad
> > thing, is fine.  my opinion.  call it a tax if you
> > want, i call it a tail.
> > 
> > regards
> > logan
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
> > [mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf
> Of
> > David W. James
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:22 PM
> > To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Subject: Re: [MR] NonMember Charges
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:27 PM, Logan
> > wrote:
> > > if it were a "surcharge" the kingdom would
> receive
> > the money.  as it is
> > > not
> > > a charge of any kind and is merely a discount
> the
> > kingdom does not
> > > require
> > > that any monies be sent to it.  therefore it is
> a
> > discount.
> > 
> > > regards
> > > logan
> > 
> > The problem with this reasoning, your Majesty, was
> > explained to me many
> > years ago when I still lived in the East.  At that
> > time a grassroots
> > effort virtually wiped out the misnamed
> 'membership
> > discount' from the
> > calendar.
> > 
> > There is an old joke that goes, How many legs does
> a
> > dog have if you
> > call its tail a leg?  Four.  Calling a tail a leg
> > doesn't make it one.
> > 
> > The fee for an event is calculated based on the
> > costs of the event
> > divided by the expected number of people
> attending. 
> > If your site costs
> > $2000, and you plan on spending $500 on a light
> > lunch and such (the
> > feast, being optional, is calculated and charged
> > separately), and you
> > expect, based on last years turn-out, 250 people,
> > then you set your
> > charge at the gate at $10 (plus or minus some
> > depending on the current
> > state of the local group's bank account.)  If
> > Atlantia's law required a
> > true discount, then the groups would be losing
> money
> > if they budgeted
> > this way and didn't get more people than they
> > expected.
> > 
> > So, in fact, the autocrat has to budget as if all
> > attendee's will be
> > members, then add $3 to the published price, if
> they
> > are being fiscally
> > responsible.  And so the discount isn't.
> > 
> > Calling this a discount doesn't make it one
> either. 
> > But it is more
> > socially acceptable.
> > 
> > David/Kwellend-Njal
> > 
> >
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