[MR] Re: Atlantia digest, Vol 1 #1080 - 5 msgs

Thu Aug 22 07:16:03 PDT 2002

Hi all,
couple questions:
the BOD can't give an actual cost for publishing the
TI?
thats interesting.
the TI has paid advertising in it, how do they set the
cost for it?
we all sign a waiver on our membership ap. and
non-members sign one on-site so the insurance is for
the site itself, how do non-members increase the
insurance cost being on the same site at the same
time?
in all the companies i know of or have been in, if you
pay someone a salary THAT PERSON WORKS FOR YOU,
are you saying we pay people to dictate to us what the
laws will be with no real power to appeal?
thats plain stupid.
in this time of "draw downs" and "right sizing" maybe
its time to take AVERY hard look at this "corporation"
this monster "we" have let grow and say "it's time to
cut the dead wood".
the only power we have left is to say "NO, I WILL NOT
RENEW MY MEMBERSHIP UNTIL CHANGES ARE MADE"
can we not have an individual in each kingdom stand an
office and do the same job, with a set society
charter?
that would give more control to the actual members in
each kingdom then some board that is out of touch and
has no controls over it.
in service to "the dream" not some BOD.
Thomas E. Ashley USN Ret.
AKA: Athalwolf

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>    1. RE: NonMember Charges (Logan)
>    2. RE: NonMember Charges (Logan)
>    3. Non-member surcharge (Susan and Frank Downs)
>    4. RE: NonMember Charges (E L Wimett)
>    5. RE: NonMember Charges (E L Wimett)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> To: "David W. James" <vnend at adelphia.net>,
> <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Cc: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> Subject: RE: [MR] NonMember Charges
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:55:46 -0400
> 
> semantics are so wonderful.  however, the spirit is
> what is important.  the
> spirit of the law that we enacted was to benefit
> members.  if membership
> produces no benefit as you and a few others seem to
> think, then lets get rid
> of it all together.  nobody pay memberships ever
> again.  im sure then that
> the sca as we know it will remain the same.  no
> changes at all.  we will
> still have the .20 insurance and the newsletters and
> the people that work to
> keep track of all the day to day needs of an
> operation the size of the sca.
> somehow.
> 
> me, im happy to pay so little to get so much.  i
> also think that the other
> people that get benefits should pay a little as
> well.  i think the $3
> fee/tax/tariff or whatever term is needed to make it
> somehow feel like a bad
> thing, is fine.  my opinion.  call it a tax if you
> want, i call it a tail.
> 
> regards
> logan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of
> David W. James
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:22 PM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] NonMember Charges
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:27 PM, Logan
> wrote:
> > if it were a "surcharge" the kingdom would receive
> the money.  as it is
> > not
> > a charge of any kind and is merely a discount the
> kingdom does not
> > require
> > that any monies be sent to it.  therefore it is a
> discount.
> 
> > regards
> > logan
> 
> The problem with this reasoning, your Majesty, was
> explained to me many
> years ago when I still lived in the East.  At that
> time a grassroots
> effort virtually wiped out the misnamed 'membership
> discount' from the
> calendar.
> 
> There is an old joke that goes, How many legs does a
> dog have if you
> call its tail a leg?  Four.  Calling a tail a leg
> doesn't make it one.
> 
> The fee for an event is calculated based on the
> costs of the event
> divided by the expected number of people attending. 
> If your site costs
> $2000, and you plan on spending $500 on a light
> lunch and such (the
> feast, being optional, is calculated and charged
> separately), and you
> expect, based on last years turn-out, 250 people,
> then you set your
> charge at the gate at $10 (plus or minus some
> depending on the current
> state of the local group's bank account.)  If
> Atlantia's law required a
> true discount, then the groups would be losing money
> if they budgeted
> this way and didn't get more people than they
> expected.
> 
> So, in fact, the autocrat has to budget as if all
> attendee's will be
> members, then add $3 to the published price, if they
> are being fiscally
> responsible.  And so the discount isn't.
> 
> Calling this a discount doesn't make it one either. 
> But it is more
> socially acceptable.
> 
> David/Kwellend-Njal
> 
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> Message: 2
> From: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> To: "Michael Houghton" <herveus at radix.net>,
> <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Cc: "Logan" <dukelogan at directvinternet.com>
> Subject: RE: [MR] NonMember Charges
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:59:52 -0400
> 
> i did and thank you for reading what i wrote.  i
> referenced the national
> organization as the "society".    i have always seen
> the sca as a collective
> of people and the business end as the society for
> creative anachronisms inc.
> im sorry if that was confusing.  in the context of
> what i said my statement
> holds true.
> 
> logan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of
> Michael Houghton
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:16 PM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] NonMember Charges
> 
> 
> Howdy!
> 
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 05:52:44PM -0400, Logan
> wrote:
> > no they dont contribute to the society.  they pay
> no membership fees.  all
> > of the fees you listed are paid by the hosting
> group and not by the
> national
> > organization.
> >
> Non-members make considerable contributions to the
> society; they make no
> monetary contributions to the SCA, Inc. SCA, Inc is
> not the Society.
> 
> Please keep the distinction in mind.
> 
> yours,
> Herveus
> --
> Michael and MJ Houghton   | Herveus d'Ormonde and
> Megan O'Donnelly
> herveus at radix.net         | White Wolf and the
> Phoenix
> Bowie, MD, USA            | Tablet and Inkle bands,
> and other stuff
>                           |
> http://www.radix.net/~herveus/
> 
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