[MR] NonMember Charges

[E L Wimett]

In a real sense, our Society IS our local groups and Kingdoms, Your 
Majesty.

Those who have elected to serve their local group without paying tithe to 
Milpitas, whether for matters of principle or matters of practicality or 
simply because they prefer to support their group and kingdom with their 
$$$ support that Society just as much when they attend an event as I do, 
even though I have paid such tithe continuously for 25 years.  And, if I 
choose to come and schmooze and observe and not work the event, I am 
probably supporting that Society less than the individual who sets up 
tents, helps folk carry their gear, works in the kitchen and cleans up the 
hall while paying the same fees I do.

The national office is NOT our Society, merely a convenience function and 
in many respects the logistics functions for which the expenses You note 
are required could be outsourced fairly inexpensively as many fraternal and 
alumni groups do.  One of the surprising things I was told at the War by a 
number of Westerners and BoD members was that the national office staff are 
now composed almost entirely of staff who do not participate in the Society 
at all and are generally not members even pro forma so we are in a sense 
outsourcing it now, though not very effectively economically.

Alisoun

-----Original Message-----
From:	Logan [SMTP:dukelogan at directvinternet.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:53 PM
To:	cometwine at mindspring.com; atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject:	RE: [MR] NonMember Charges

no they dont contribute to the society.  they pay no membership fees.  all
of the fees you listed are paid by the hosting group and not by the 
national
organization.

regards
logan

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Subject: Re: [MR] NonMember Charges


Non-members contribute nothing monetarily to the Society?   Do they not pay
to attend events?  Furthermore, is their attendance at events somehow more
expensive than members' attendance?  Do feast ingredients cost more if 
eaten
by non-members?  Do site tokens cost more if worn by non-members?  If they
pay the same amount as members and consume the same amount of resources as
members then they contribute as much monetarily as members do (at least at
the local level.)

I first began "playing" nearly 12 years ago as a poor college student.
During all this time, I have only been a "paying" member for a total of
about 4 years.  Yet, I know that my service to the Society did not wax and
wane depending upon my membership status.  Non-members, you see, help in 
the
kitchen and stay for clean-up, too.  It would seem, then, that non-members
contribute quite a bit to the Society, including, but not limited to, their
money.

Conversely, I have known many members who contributed nothing but their
money....

Your humble servant (and currently paid member),

Cristofana di Lorenzo

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela K. Pincha-Neel <angela at ascc01.ascc.lucent.com>
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] NonMember Charges


>His Majesty makes a good point Gregory, and he is correct in that
non-members
>contribute nothing - nothing monetarily to this society. There is no 
reason
why
>we cannot ask for monetary help from all who are participating in a 
regular
>fashion...
>
>Mordrea
>
>Greg Lindahl wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 02:18:37PM -0400, Logan wrote:
>>
>> > im not sure why anyone would have a problem with non-members paying a
little
>> > bit to defer the costs that the society as a whole incurs due, in 
part,
to
>> > their attendance at events while they contribute nothing.
>>
>> Logan,
>>
>> Given the many, many discussions about this in the past, which you
>> participated in, I'm not sure why you aren't familiar with the
>> arguments of the other side.
>>
>> By the way, many non-members contribute quite a lot to the Society;
>> perhaps you meant to say "at events while they contribute no funds to
>> the national corporation."
>>
>> -- Gregory Blount
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