FW: [MR] Coronation Curia - New Orders?

[Becky McEllistrem]

--- Phillip Jones <jonesj at InfoAve.Net> wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Jones [mailto:jonesj at infoave.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:33 PM
> To: Merry Rose
> Subject: RE: [MR] Coronation Curia - New Orders?
> 
> 
> My initial reaction is that the Chivalry is NOT a
> peerage for all martial
> activity, but for a very specific one. Those who
> have chosen other martial
> activities will never be elevated to the peerage for
> said activities.

That was my understanding as well.  

> 
> Second, I am afraid that the new names leave me cold
> and uninspired. I don't
> aspire to be a nereid, rumors aside:) I can just see
> the furor around
> narwhal (who you calling a whale?). Manatee=sea-cow
> (udderly absurd).

I don't know about absurd but we could work on the
names some.  Were there other options besides just
those?


> 
> I deeply appreciate the resistance to instituting a
> new GOA level award
> without grand fathering in the current order. It is
> not disingenuous on my
> part to say I don't think it is the gOA which is the
> stumbling block, but
> the question of who gets pulled up into that new
> order, and how. Does the
> clock reset? Might be hard on the ancient ones,
> stiff of knee and neck, to
> achieve that new lofty status.

It might be but my concern was why did that idea
receive applause?  Often it is assumed that folks will
be grandfather claused in but why was that a reason to
cheer?  Are we worrying too much about rank and that
someone else might outrank us.

> 
> Maybe the fallacy for me is looking at the current
> orders as necessarily
> stepping stones to others. Is the Sea Stag a junior
> peerage? I am proud to
> be a member, but that doesn't put me any closer to
> knighthood. Is the Golden
> Dolphin a junior Pelican?  Doesn't appear that way
to
> me. 

I would say absolutely not.  Calling someone a "junior
peer" implies that they will be a related peer soon
which never works as far as I'm concerned.

> 
> 
> The cause of all this is, I understand, that the
> bars are considered too
> high in the current Atlantian orders. Finally, I'd
> humbly suggest that it is
> the bar in the peerages which need to be examined.

Agreed completely.  You want a level of achievement
for the various peerages but the current level of
achievement seems almost impossible to some UNLESS
that person has already received a peerage of another
type.

At least that's the way it seems to me.

Personally I understand the interest in new orders but
it seems there needs to be a little more thought in
how these orders are implemented.  

Rebecca


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